yes, of course, but there is an enormous and impactful difference between being persuasive and using power to enforce conformity of thought. Argument from authority is one of the worst fallacious positions but it's the default for most religious communities.
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Yes, so for those of us who have clearly left that behind (or say that we have!) why are we still so focused in the rearview mirror? What lies beyond this differentiation of power? Integration, I think. Better ways of working with power than self-contradictory rejection.pic.twitter.com/KsA9cKuHTR
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It’s a massive exercise of power to say that I’m the locust of power and that others aren’t.
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I view you as a peer, but one with more experience in things than I have in areas that I am interested in learning about. I think that is the relationship you have with most of your peers here. Certainly anyone that goes on retreat with you, to some degree. Is that power?
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That said, when I start hearing deep wisdom from someone, that opens me up, I let go of control and go with what realities is teaching through us (that's my practice anyway). And then when I sense things are going off the rails I intervene. I absolutely exercise authority.
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when someone goes on retreat with you they have voluntarily delegated their own power to you, empowering and authorizing you to intervene on their behalf. it's a temporary arrangement, no? You don't claim to maintain this authority after the retreat ends.
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Well, a lot of religious leaders DO retain that authority. If there's anything I'm "rebelling" against it's that.
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Ok, fair enough, I get it. And what impact is your activism having? Can you point to specific metrics on the number of folks who you've helped extricate themselves from such situations? Whose benefit is it for, really?
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I'm not an activist. I work for my own benefit, and by improving myself, hopefully improve others who interact with me by being a kinder, wiser, more compassionate person.
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At it's worst it's a kind of prolonged adolescence that manifests as a lack of heart and moral ambiguity masquerading as moral superiority. I'm trying to do better then that, and ask all my peers to do likewise.
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What if I said that submitting to authority without questioning the legitimacy of that authority is adolescent and that it manifests as a lack of clarity and moral certitude masquerading as moral superiority.
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I'd say there are different stages of adolescence. My 2 year old is doing the same right now, but it's not the same as teenage rebellion. :)
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