Yeah, I get that. It’s a religion for most people, in the popular sense of how religion is understood. Deconstructing that is an important developmental leap. Reintegrating healthy forms of authority (inner and outer sources) is for me a yet further step of development.
-
-
Replying to @VincentHorn @danlistensto and
Here’s the problem: if no one can tell each other something more true then they can tell themselves (I.e. there’s no authority) then no one will call out bullshit if/when they see it. THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST GIFTS WE CAN GIVE EACH OTHER!!!!
1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
yes, of course, but there is an enormous and impactful difference between being persuasive and using power to enforce conformity of thought. Argument from authority is one of the worst fallacious positions but it's the default for most religious communities.
2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
Yes, so for those of us who have clearly left that behind (or say that we have!) why are we still so focused in the rearview mirror? What lies beyond this differentiation of power? Integration, I think. Better ways of working with power than self-contradictory rejection.pic.twitter.com/KsA9cKuHTR
2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @VincentHorn @danlistensto and
It’s a massive exercise of power to say that I’m the locust of power and that others aren’t.
2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
I view you as a peer, but one with more experience in things than I have in areas that I am interested in learning about. I think that is the relationship you have with most of your peers here. Certainly anyone that goes on retreat with you, to some degree. Is that power?
5 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
That said, when I start hearing deep wisdom from someone, that opens me up, I let go of control and go with what realities is teaching through us (that's my practice anyway). And then when I sense things are going off the rails I intervene. I absolutely exercise authority.
3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
when someone goes on retreat with you they have voluntarily delegated their own power to you, empowering and authorizing you to intervene on their behalf. it's a temporary arrangement, no? You don't claim to maintain this authority after the retreat ends.
2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @danlistensto @VincentHorn and
Well, a lot of religious leaders DO retain that authority. If there's anything I'm "rebelling" against it's that.
2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
Sorry to be so challenging here, I guess I find myself in a position of rebelling against the rebels. I'm interested in helping meditators wake up and move through the malaise of deconstructive post-modernism.
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
I think that's a worthy goal. Deconstructive PoMo is not my own personal challenge. Mine is figuring out how I can form lasting, positive relationships with people in ways that work for me.
-
-
Replying to @danlistensto @VincentHorn and
And even though this exchange has been challenging, I view it as positive. Being able to have this discussion is only possible because we both respect and trust each other. Thank you.
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Agreed.
0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
End of conversation
New conversation -
Loading seems to be taking a while.
Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.