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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
      Replying to @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas @danlistensto

      Then what are you rebelling against? Why is it so important that other people know this? Why was it so important from Krishnamurti?

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    2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 10
      Replying to @VincentHorn @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

      He didn't say he was rebelling against anything. You said he was.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
      Replying to @danlistensto @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

      Well, in my experience when someone goes on and on about how no one can tell them what to do, they are rebelling against something. 😘

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    4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 10
      Replying to @VincentHorn @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

      I'll let Shaun speak for himself. My own feeling is that Buddhism is a path of liberation and that necessarily aligns it with a certain rebelliousness and anti-authoritarian outlook. That it isn't usually practiced that way is something I have trouble reconciling.

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    5. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
      Replying to @danlistensto @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

      Yeah, I get that. It’s a religion for most people, in the popular sense of how religion is understood. Deconstructing that is an important developmental leap. Reintegrating healthy forms of authority (inner and outer sources) is for me a yet further step of development.

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    6. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
      Replying to @VincentHorn @danlistensto and

      Here’s the problem: if no one can tell each other something more true then they can tell themselves (I.e. there’s no authority) then no one will call out bullshit if/when they see it. THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST GIFTS WE CAN GIVE EACH OTHER!!!!

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    7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 10
      Replying to @VincentHorn @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

      yes, of course, but there is an enormous and impactful difference between being persuasive and using power to enforce conformity of thought. Argument from authority is one of the worst fallacious positions but it's the default for most religious communities.

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    8. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
      Replying to @danlistensto @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

      Yes, so for those of us who have clearly left that behind (or say that we have!) why are we still so focused in the rearview mirror? What lies beyond this differentiation of power? Integration, I think. Better ways of working with power than self-contradictory rejection.pic.twitter.com/KsA9cKuHTR

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    9. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
      Replying to @VincentHorn @danlistensto and

      It’s a massive exercise of power to say that I’m the locust of power and that others aren’t.

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    10. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 10
      Replying to @VincentHorn @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

      I view you as a peer, but one with more experience in things than I have in areas that I am interested in learning about. I think that is the relationship you have with most of your peers here. Certainly anyone that goes on retreat with you, to some degree. Is that power?

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 10
      Replying to @danlistensto @VincentHorn and

      Of a kind anyway. It can go badly off the rails in the wrong circumstances (see: Christy McNally) but even in less extreme situations those dynamics are present in every congregation/sangha, aren't they?

      6:46 AM - 10 Mar 2018
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