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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Shaunyata‏ @shaunbartone Mar 8
      Replying to @VincentHorn

      J. Krishnamurti's basic message was to tell every religious or spiritual leader in the world to go fuck themselves. Don't believe anybody and don't join anything. It's a pretty acerbic message that some people just can't take.

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    2. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 8
      Replying to @shaunbartone

      Weird, even that wasn’t clear to me. I just found him to be largely incoherent. Watching him speak to David Bohm was particularly painful, though I had high hopes. I guess I just don’t get it.

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    3. Michael W. Taft‏ @OortCloudAtlas Mar 8
      Replying to @VincentHorn @shaunbartone

      He was elevated to the rank of highest guru in the universe by a bunch of rich English folks. Once they put him in charge of this vast & rich organization, his first act was to dissolve the organization. Totally punk rock.

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    4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 9
      Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @VincentHorn @shaunbartone

      it's a really interesting history imo. Annie Besant's group is the origin of the phrase "new age"/"age of aquarius" and they're directly responsible for quite a lot of what developed into the excessive side of hippie woowoo.

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    5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 9
      Replying to @danlistensto @OortCloudAtlas and

      they had basically kidnapped Krishnamurti when he was a child and groomed him to be a messianic figurehead for their movement. his great accomplishment is his act of disbelief. he dispelled the illusions he was raised under and walked away from the whole shitshow.

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    6. Michael W. Taft‏ @OortCloudAtlas Mar 9
      Replying to @danlistensto @VincentHorn @shaunbartone

      Yes, while simultaneously giving the group a timeless teaching pointing towards real awakening, rather than the psychic-new age stuff they were into. It was masterful.

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    7. Shaunyata‏ @shaunbartone Mar 9
      Replying to @OortCloudAtlas @danlistensto @VincentHorn

      J.K. appeals to people like me who align with skeptical Buddhism. It's a side of Buddhism that few people espouse, like Stephen Batchelor, the Non-Buddhists, J.K. took it all the way out to 'don't believe anything, not even me.'

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    8. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 9
      Replying to @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas @danlistensto

      Sorry Shaun, I’m probably being overly harsh here. Keep on keeping on with your rebellion. May it reach exhaustion as quickly as possible. 🙏

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    9. Shaunyata‏ @shaunbartone Mar 9
      Replying to @VincentHorn @OortCloudAtlas @danlistensto

      Rebelling against what? No one has any authority over what I believe or practice. That's totally my decision. There's nothing to rebel against.

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    10. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
      Replying to @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas @danlistensto

      Then what are you rebelling against? Why is it so important that other people know this? Why was it so important from Krishnamurti?

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 10
      Replying to @VincentHorn @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

      He didn't say he was rebelling against anything. You said he was.

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        2. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
          Replying to @danlistensto @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

          Well, in my experience when someone goes on and on about how no one can tell them what to do, they are rebelling against something. 😘

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 10
          Replying to @VincentHorn @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

          I'll let Shaun speak for himself. My own feeling is that Buddhism is a path of liberation and that necessarily aligns it with a certain rebelliousness and anti-authoritarian outlook. That it isn't usually practiced that way is something I have trouble reconciling.

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        4. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
          Replying to @danlistensto @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

          Yeah, I get that. It’s a religion for most people, in the popular sense of how religion is understood. Deconstructing that is an important developmental leap. Reintegrating healthy forms of authority (inner and outer sources) is for me a yet further step of development.

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        5. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
          Replying to @VincentHorn @danlistensto and

          Here’s the problem: if no one can tell each other something more true then they can tell themselves (I.e. there’s no authority) then no one will call out bullshit if/when they see it. THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST GIFTS WE CAN GIVE EACH OTHER!!!!

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        6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 10
          Replying to @VincentHorn @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

          yes, of course, but there is an enormous and impactful difference between being persuasive and using power to enforce conformity of thought. Argument from authority is one of the worst fallacious positions but it's the default for most religious communities.

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        7. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
          Replying to @danlistensto @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

          Yes, so for those of us who have clearly left that behind (or say that we have!) why are we still so focused in the rearview mirror? What lies beyond this differentiation of power? Integration, I think. Better ways of working with power than self-contradictory rejection.pic.twitter.com/KsA9cKuHTR

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        8. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
          Replying to @VincentHorn @danlistensto and

          It’s a massive exercise of power to say that I’m the locust of power and that others aren’t.

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        9. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
          Replying to @VincentHorn @danlistensto and

          It’s also delusional when viewing things from a networked, instead, of individualist standpoint. We are constantly influencing each other in ways that are hard to combat, even here on twitter.

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        1. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
          Replying to @danlistensto @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

          If it were obvious to them that there isn’t someone who can tell them what to do, why even bring it up? My guess is it’s an attempt to tell others the good news (I.e. the gospel).

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        2. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Mar 10
          Replying to @danlistensto @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

          I can relate to this. I did this too. Where I’m at with it now is that confusion tyrannical power (“power over”) with influence over (“power to”) is to cut off the source of our greatest power, each other, and to become insulated with “peers” who are all singing the same song.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 10
          Replying to @VincentHorn @shaunbartone @OortCloudAtlas

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          This practice of mine is something that I developed from integrating insights gained during meditation. Confronting that conformist urge (even conformity in rebellion) is critical.https://twitter.com/danlistensto/status/971819663603748864 …

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          Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop @danlistensto
          I'm strongly in favor of listening to things that you don't agree with completely. I try to do this frequently. It can be a challenge at times but I'm also pleasantly surprised at times to find that focusing on where, how, and why I disagree refines my own thinking.
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