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    1. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 8

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    2. john of the dead‏ @theheathenjohn Mar 8
      Replying to @danlistensto

      I definitely think that's important but I was under the impression that Peterson's audience overlapped quite a bit with the Red Pill crowd. Joe Rogan fills a similar role in the culture imo, and used to do it in a way that I felt was more inclusive than Peterson.

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    3. john of the dead‏ @theheathenjohn Mar 8
      Replying to @theheathenjohn @danlistensto

      I'm not really convinced Peterson offers a compelling alternative masculinity either? He seems to be quite a traditionalist, though I agree with most points advanced in the thread. Which is actually what I find so frustrating about him as a figure. I think we really need icons...

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    4. john of the dead‏ @theheathenjohn Mar 8
      Replying to @theheathenjohn @danlistensto

      To advance other lifeways but Peterson seems so exclusionary and rigid. But this person has clearly consumed more of his content than I so maybe I'm wrong.

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    5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 8
      Replying to @theheathenjohn

      I have not perceived him as exclusionary except in the sense of having a message that is more relevant to some than others, but that's inevitable and expected for psychology stuff.

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    6. john of the dead‏ @theheathenjohn Mar 8
      Replying to @danlistensto

      But didn't he come to prominence because of thw whole pronoun kerfuffle?

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 8
      Replying to @theheathenjohn

      Yes, and? His objection was to a law that could be interpreted as criminalizing mundane speech acts.

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        2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 8
          Replying to @danlistensto @theheathenjohn

          I owe you a more in depth response when I have a few more minutes available.

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        3. john of the dead‏ @theheathenjohn Mar 8
          Replying to @danlistensto

          I'll be honest, I sat on the fence for a long time w/ Peterson but I saw him doing some Kekistan song and dance on Twitter and immediately lost all interest.

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        4. john of the dead‏ @theheathenjohn Mar 8
          Replying to @theheathenjohn @danlistensto

          Plus I'm not really in the market for that kind of figure at this stage in my life. Rogan did the job pretty well for several years, along with Duncan Trussell, Daniele Bolelli and Ari Shaffir to varying degrees.

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        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 8
          Replying to @theheathenjohn

          alright, a few minutes available now. You asked if Peterson ought to be considered exclusionary and pointed to his opposition to bill C-16 as evidence of that. I think that's worth addressing.

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        6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 8
          Replying to @danlistensto @theheathenjohn

          The specific objections to that bill was that it was 1) legally ambiguous and 2) could be interpreted in such a way that mundane speech acts could be considered human rights violations, which carries a VERY stiff legal penalty.

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        7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 8
          Replying to @danlistensto @theheathenjohn

          there is a conflict of values involved here and I want to discuss that separately only after I discuss whether or not Peterson's position ought to be interpreted as exclusionary

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        8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 8
          Replying to @danlistensto @theheathenjohn

          is it exclusionary to unintentionally insult someone? and if intentional? what does it mean to exclude? is it reasonable to expect it's a persons right to not be offended? if that is their right, then how do we determine which offenses are legitimate and which aren't?

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        9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Mar 8
          Replying to @danlistensto @theheathenjohn

          you can see how problematic these questions become. it's a deep rabbit hole and there are no good answers down there. lots of booby traps though. that's the reason Peterson objected to it. He saw the bill as creating a perverse law enforcement environment prone to abuse.

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