which sort of brings us back where we started: what the OP does is collapse abstractions and cause confusions
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Replying to @Xenofeminism @skfd
I'd say that the demand -- not that CS workers consider ethics, not even that CS programs consider ethics, but that the most elementary ideas in CS should be made to center politics from the beginning -- is both totalitarian and dreadfully boring.
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Also evidence from prior states that tried this indoctrination (soviet union) & vaguely similar social engineering attempts in "ze west" (sensitivity training, which has proven ineffective and possibly exacerbative) suggests that it would achieve nothing like the "desired" result
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"ze west" has consistently proved that it is so blind to to the existence of backlash/blowback that its either pathological or intentional
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this is why consequentialists scare me
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Replying to @danlistensto @St_Rev and
Hey, a reasonable consequentialist wouldn't fall for these "ethics courses"/"consent courses"/"sensitivity training" failed horseshit
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ok, but ask around and see how many of them even know what the cobra effect is
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Replying to @danlistensto @St_Rev and
OK, dumb consequentialists are bad. I'm pretty sure dumb deontologists are equally (but differently) bad
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they absolutely are. it's usually impossible to create adequate rules for situations with too many unknowns. it's also almost impossible to evaluate the effectiveness of your ethical rules in a reasonable timeframe. and yes, dumb virtue ethicists are also bad
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anyway, it's a tangent, but I think it's relevant because "ethics in computer science" implies that we're good enough at ethics to try that. we aren't. we suck at ethics. the best ethics curriculum is reading history.
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