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    1. undiscovered artifact‏ @brazen_cabeza Feb 6

      groupthink and bandwagoning as autoimmune disorders

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    2. James Tiberius Stone‏ @Evolving_Ego Feb 6
      Replying to @brazen_cabeza

      Usually groupthink and bandwagoning are fairly benign (and may even serve a positive purpose for groups). There are moments in history, however, where these tendencies cause the body to dismantle itself.

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Feb 6
      Replying to @Evolving_Ego @brazen_cabeza

      at best they can increase ingroup cohesion, which may be prosocial under some circumstances. at worst they can lead to bad shit ranging from tragic mistakes to enraged pogroms. groupthink is extraordinarily dangerous.

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    4. James Tiberius Stone‏ @Evolving_Ego Feb 6
      Replying to @danlistensto @brazen_cabeza

      Climate change advocacy is running on group think. 5% of advocates actually understand enough of the science to have an independent opinion. 95% are bandwagoning.

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    5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Feb 6
      Replying to @Evolving_Ego @brazen_cabeza

      yes, and I am increasingly concerned that the groupthink rather than authentic understanding of the science will result in tragic mistakes when policies are being decided on.

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    6. James Tiberius Stone‏ @Evolving_Ego Feb 6
      Replying to @danlistensto @brazen_cabeza

      Could be. But without bandwagoning would there even be a conversation going on? Can the average lay person possibly study enough to be in position to think independently about all of the political issues we face?

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    7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Feb 6
      Replying to @Evolving_Ego @brazen_cabeza

      No, they can't, but the tendency to groupthink has made a lot of people _have_ opinions on things that they ought not to because the act of having an opinion is a signal of group allegiance and that motivates them a lot more than truth-seeking and intellectual humility.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Feb 6
      Replying to @danlistensto @Evolving_Ego @brazen_cabeza

      I'm trying to understand your perspective though. Do you mean to say that groupthink on climate change issues is good? Climate change issues are a very serious problem indeed, but I'm not seeing how having mass scale intellectual confusion on the topic is a good thing.

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        2. James Tiberius Stone‏ @Evolving_Ego Feb 6
          Replying to @danlistensto @brazen_cabeza

          I'm trying to say that maybe "groupthink" isn't the full problem. It's groupthink combined with other conditions that makes things dysfunctional. And we might be throwing a baby out with the bathwater if we get rid of groupthink entirely.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Feb 6
          Replying to @Evolving_Ego @brazen_cabeza

          we're social primates, there's no danger of us getting rid of groupthink entirely. could use some serious downsizing though, we do way too much of it. there is a rather clear and present danger of mass delusion leading to tragedy though.

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        4. James Tiberius Stone‏ @Evolving_Ego Feb 6
          Replying to @danlistensto @brazen_cabeza

          I would point my finger at those who stand in the way of reasonable dialogue. We don't need everyone to be independently rational. We just need everyone to be reasonable. Reasonableness allows us to correct for bias in dialogue.

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        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Feb 6
          Replying to @Evolving_Ego @brazen_cabeza

          well said

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