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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jan 8
      Replying to @djinnius @PomoPsiOp @Alrenous

      oh, i have no investment in that position and don't think it's the case, but Conway here doesn't refute it either, in the whole thing free will is just a black box hypothetical causal phenomenon whose provenance isn't raised as a question

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    2. sam atman‏ @djinnius Jan 8
      Replying to @chaosprime @PomoPsiOp @Alrenous

      Conway explicitly provides a model of free will which doesn't rely on Many Worlds.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jan 8
      Replying to @djinnius @PomoPsiOp @Alrenous

      he provides a model of necessary derivation of free will of collections of particles from free will of particles, he doesn't provide a model of free will at all; his fully baseless axiom of free will could rely on many-worlds or not, the question isn't asked

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp Jan 8
      Replying to @chaosprime @djinnius @Alrenous

      As the person who brought up many worlds in the first place. It's not necessary for a "Non deterministic universe" but is necessary for the chaos of quantum mechanics to contain something humans would recognize as choice.

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    5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jan 8
      Replying to @PomoPsiOp @djinnius @Alrenous

      enh, there are other options, like in a simulation scenario where your body is hardware, your mind is software, and your free will is user input but really choice is just a post hoc quale of the part of your mind that exists to come up with a plausible story for the cops

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    6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jan 8
      Replying to @chaosprime @PomoPsiOp and

      who's the user?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp Jan 8
      Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime and

      Read up on Gnosticism I guess. My only beef with it is it was invented by people who didn't have video games, and who thus assumed the simulation was Malicious.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jan 8
      Replying to @PomoPsiOp @chaosprime and

      it was a rhetorical question, I have indeed read up on gnosticism. I can think of a dozen answers from different systems off the top of my head and every one of them is unsatisfactory. nobody gets much further than noticing that the ego vanishes under examination.

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    9. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous Jan 8
      Replying to @danlistensto @PomoPsiOp and

      I don't believe the ego vanishes. Elaborate?

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jan 8
      Replying to @Alrenous @PomoPsiOp and

      I'm trying to decide how to answer and not do so in a way that satisfies my own humor or wit or sensibilities, but rather to answer in a way that will be useful for you. I don't know you though so I can't answer in any useful way until I know you a little bit better.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jan 8
      Replying to @danlistensto @Alrenous and

      Do you meditate? If I link the text of a Zen koan will you find that helpful or irritating?

      2:17 PM - 8 Jan 2018
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        2. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous Jan 8
          Replying to @danlistensto @PomoPsiOp and

          I do. I enjoy both the one about the robber and the moon and the one about one hand clapping.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jan 8
          Replying to @Alrenous @PomoPsiOp and

          wonderful! the one that came to mind for this case is #29 from Mumonkan http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/glg/glg29.htm …

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        4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jan 8
          Replying to @danlistensto @Alrenous and

          the other comment I'd like to make is just to say that the ego is a Ship of Theseus

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jan 8
          Replying to @danlistensto @Alrenous and

          so it vanishes swiftly when examined in a flash, and it vanishes slowly when examined over time. it's hardly a thing at all. it's the thing that say's "me I'm here" but doesn't even know who's saying it.

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