understood. conversational fluency is not a satisfactory indicator of consciousness. it is neither necessary nor sufficient. so we're left with the issue of qualia and stuck reasoning about why it is that we believe anything (besides our own self) is conscious at all.
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Replying to @danlistensto @0Kultra and
you either get "hard problem" or "free will is an illusion" or "God is good so I'm not a brain in a jar" or "everything is conscious"
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Replying to @0Kultra @ColumPaget and
I think I'm mostly ok with that last one too. It seems closer to correct (or satisfying to my aesthetics anyway) than the other three. I don't want to say _everything_ is conscious though. Figuring out what the varieties of consciousness are is a fun pursuit.
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Replying to @danlistensto @0Kultra and
human-style consciousness is already diverse, but then we have to account for stars, fish, starfish, aliens, starfish aliens, hard drives, and the hard drives of starfish aliens.
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Replying to @danlistensto @0Kultra and
I remember, as a kid, balking at a Frank Herbert story in which stars were conscious.
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Replying to @ColumPaget @0Kultra and
thinking about the consciousness of things that live at vastly different time scales than humans is difficult. fungi and plants are already hard to accept, but with stars you're stretching it out to billions of times longer time scale than anything human-like.
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Replying to @danlistensto @0Kultra and
tbh my objection 14-yo objection was more along the lines of "Talking stars?! This is not *real* science fiction, there'll be unicorns and elves next, and probably *kissing*!" (throws book against wall)
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in real SF only androids and disembodied starship computers can talk. androids can AND SHOULD kiss too.
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