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    1. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget Jan 8
      Replying to @chaosprime @0Kultra @PomoPsiOp

      free will isn't silly, it's popular definitions of it that are askew. At the end of the day free will is, and can only be, acting in accordance with your own nature. The only alternative is dice-throwing. So there's no contradiction between free will and determinism.

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    2. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget Jan 8
      Replying to @0Kultra @chaosprime @PomoPsiOp

      well, one might raise questions about conciousness. But I would agree that fish do. Fish definitely want to do fishy things, and preventing them from doing so is interferring with their free will.

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    3. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget Jan 8
      Replying to @0Kultra @chaosprime @PomoPsiOp

      I think defining consciousness is a bit of a tough problem. I am not sure hard-disks or viruses qualify, I suspect fish might, but it's very hard to prove that. When harddrives or viruses start passing Turing tests, then I'll be ready to consider it.

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    4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jan 8
      Replying to @0Kultra @ColumPaget and

      what is it like to be a hard drive?

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jan 8
      Replying to @0Kultra @ColumPaget and

      if I tell you that I know what it's like to be Dan Garfield, do you believe me? why? that argument is what the Turing Test is about, and ultimately why it's unsatisfactory.

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        2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jan 8
          Replying to @0Kultra @ColumPaget and

          understood. conversational fluency is not a satisfactory indicator of consciousness. it is neither necessary nor sufficient. so we're left with the issue of qualia and stuck reasoning about why it is that we believe anything (besides our own self) is conscious at all.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jan 8
          Replying to @danlistensto @0Kultra and

          you either get "hard problem" or "free will is an illusion" or "God is good so I'm not a brain in a jar" or "everything is conscious"

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        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jan 8
          Replying to @0Kultra @ColumPaget and

          I think I'm mostly ok with that last one too. It seems closer to correct (or satisfying to my aesthetics anyway) than the other three. I don't want to say _everything_ is conscious though. Figuring out what the varieties of consciousness are is a fun pursuit.

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        6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jan 8
          Replying to @danlistensto @0Kultra and

          human-style consciousness is already diverse, but then we have to account for stars, fish, starfish, aliens, starfish aliens, hard drives, and the hard drives of starfish aliens.

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        2. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget Jan 8
          Replying to @danlistensto @0Kultra and

          agreed. But Turing knew this, I think. The whole point of the Turing test is that I can't know if you're conscious, but if I can't tell you apart from other things considered conscious, then it's better not to take the risk of treating you as not being. It's the best fix we have.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jan 8
          Replying to @ColumPaget @0Kultra and

          reasonable ethical praxis is what I say as demagnetize and then grind my old hard drives

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