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Replying to @danlistensto @simpolism
the topics are complimentary but not necessary as a dialectic
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Replying to @danlistensto
Agreed -- I don't think discussing male pain provides much insight into female pain (at least not as expressed in the essay), and vice versa. This feeling of difference-in-kind is perhaps why these topics are hard to discuss at all.
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Replying to @simpolism
I think there's an important intersection point which is that cultural pressure on men to "no sell" their pain leads to a lot of the toxic masculinity pathologies that end up causing a lot of female pain.
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Replying to @danlistensto
Based on the description in the essay, I think it's a massive over-attribution to say toxic masculinity is the cause of a lot of female pain. I suggest reading it.
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Replying to @simpolism
I'm about half-way through it presently, will finish it today. Maybe I should have said toxic masculinity results in a lot female suffering, which is a different claim.
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Replying to @danlistensto
I agree that women do suffer as a result of toxic masculinity, but I feel like toxic masculinity itself is a symptom of deeper cultural problems with "maleness". I'm partial to Erich Fromm's analysis from his book "The Art of Loving," which I'd share if I had my copy on-hand.
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Replying to @simpolism
I guess that was the reason I originally posted anything at all. The deeper cultural problems of maleness are particularly visible when examining the topic of pain, both the internal experience of it as well as the social expression of it.
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men are taught that inflicting pain is honorable and expressing pain is dishonorable, or even "feminine". a lot of traditional morality is about directing men to inflict pain only on specified "deserving" outgroups.
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