How is this relevant?
I'm about half-way through it presently, will finish it today. Maybe I should have said toxic masculinity results in a lot female suffering, which is a different claim.
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I agree that women do suffer as a result of toxic masculinity, but I feel like toxic masculinity itself is a symptom of deeper cultural problems with "maleness". I'm partial to Erich Fromm's analysis from his book "The Art of Loving," which I'd share if I had my copy on-hand.
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I guess that was the reason I originally posted anything at all. The deeper cultural problems of maleness are particularly visible when examining the topic of pain, both the internal experience of it as well as the social expression of it.
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Sure, thinking about others' pain also makes one think about their own pain, and I have a lot of thoughts about male suffering too. It just didn't feel like the place to discuss it (and it's a trope for MRA-types to post "but what about men" in response to this kind of thing).
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I'm not one of them
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I'm aware, but it's easy for one's actions, especially on sites like this, to be taken out of context. Also, my intent in recommending the original essay was to get people to consider a perspective different than their own...
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...and to reply with a topic that feels more relatable (i.e. men's pain) feels like shoving aside the topic I wanted to discuss and replacing it with an easier/hot-button target. I appreciate that you deleted the original comment, but I wanted to share my thoughts.
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dialogue is hard. the level of public discourse outside of our small circles of trust generally leads people to assume the worst, so I took your comment as well intentioned good advice. I never comment with the intent of "shoving aside" a discussion though.
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Sure, and I appreciate you took my comment in good faith. It wasn't intended as a personal attack. I didn't see your comment as an attempt to shove the discussion aside, but I do feel like one way discussions work is that people, if given an opening, will take advantage of it...
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