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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @PomoPsiOp @danlistensto

      Hierarchical society is the result of agriculture dividing people into warriors and slaves. We just won't admit that anybody who isn't allowed to carry a weapon is obviously a slave.

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    2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @PomoPsiOp

      it's the 2nd amendment though. who's we?

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @danlistensto @PomoPsiOp

      the 2nd amendment is the anti-warlordism clause of the constitution. it's the answer to who watches the watchmen.

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    4. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Yeah, that's what I've been proposing from the start. I'm just saying things like due process and specialization will require people with the responsibility to train specialists and observe process is being followed.

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    5. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @PomoPsiOp @danlistensto

      Again, the Marshal isn't somebody with any special authority, just the responsibility to make sure process is being followed. The violence is done by citizens. The marshal is elected by the same citizens.

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    6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @PomoPsiOp

      mob violence though. what happens when the marshall tells an enraged group of citizens "no folks, you are not allowed to use violence in this circumstance"?

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    7. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Then they won't listen to him, and democracy happens. Lynch mobs are the most democratic thing ever. If the marshal wants to prevent this, he'll take the fugitive into protective custody. This isn't locking him up, this is escorting him out of town.

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    8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @PomoPsiOp

      alright then look, if you're trying to convince me that the system you're proposing is a good one it really loses a lot of credibility when you argue yourself into the corner of "lynch mobs are ok:.

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    9. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @danlistensto

      I never said they were okay, only that they were a natural result of democracy and that we need to be more accepting of the realities of mob psychology if we are going to be free.

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    10. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @PomoPsiOp @danlistensto

      You have been continually misrepresenting by claims all night. I'm not really sure I consider you somebody who deserves convincing anymore.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 27 Dec 2017
      Replying to @PomoPsiOp

      alright, sorry. I understand that it's hard to express your beliefs and maybe I was too critical. I think we fundamentally agree on the importance of reducing authoritarianism, and that the incarceration system is mostly awful. I think we disagree about how policing should work

      10:51 AM - 27 Dec 2017
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        2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @danlistensto @PomoPsiOp

          You are advocating abolishing specialized, professional police in favor of charismatic "law chief" figures. I think there are serious problems with that. I hope I haven't misrepresented you further.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @danlistensto @PomoPsiOp

          I believe that addressing issues of corruption in a specialized professional police force is an easier problem to solve than addressing issues of mob violence and vigilantism in citizens-with-guns amateur policing.

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        4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 27 Dec 2017
          Replying to @danlistensto @PomoPsiOp

          if I was harsh I apologize, but I felt a need to strongly question your premises because I think you intermixed a good sentiment with a dangerous policy prescription.

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