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    1. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 26 Dec 2017

      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop Retweeted Psi Operator

      warlord-ismhttps://twitter.com/PomoPsiOp/status/945883092501143553 …

      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop added,

      Psi Operator @PomoPsiOp
      Really, the only kind of law enforcement I can think of that wouldn't be a waste of time, is to give each town a publicly elected Judge/Sherif/Lawman who can resolve disputes and organized a Posse of armed men to deal with other groups of dangerous armed men.
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    2. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Not even a warlord because their primary role would be instruction, organization, and conflict resolution. Remember tribal chiefs in hunter gatherer societies lead their warriors through consensus rather than authority. They can't make anybody do anything they don't want to do.

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @PomoPsiOp

      I guess you're trying to present an idealized vision of law enforcement. Humans don't really act like this though. They're much more likely to act like this guypic.twitter.com/g5E9rTN7fF

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    4. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Judge Dredd is an idealized version of law enforcement. He is never shown to abuse his authority in any way. The problem is Mega City one defines all human activity as a crime. The comics present a society with a near 100% unemployment rate and prohibitions against everything.

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    5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @PomoPsiOp

      Judge Dredd is an archonic nightmare. He represents the ultimate degeneration of law enforcement into pure violence. "Everything is illegal" is another way of stating "there is no such thing as the law". Dredd's statement is ironic and tragic.

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    6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @danlistensto @PomoPsiOp

      In other words, he is the perfect warlord. Nothing matters besides his ability to use force, and he can use that force against anyone he chooses, for any reason he chooses.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 26 Dec 2017
      Replying to @danlistensto @PomoPsiOp

      anyway, my point isn't to analyze a dystopian fiction. my point is that real people don't behave in the way you have suggested. if law enforcement is fundamentally about behavior control, it has to be tuned to the way people really behave, and that includes the enforcers.

      9:46 PM - 26 Dec 2017
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        2. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp 26 Dec 2017
          Replying to @danlistensto

          I'm literally proposing we stop trying to control behavior, and instead relegate the "Warlord archetype" to something more akin to a gym teacher than somebody with actual authority.

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        3. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp 26 Dec 2017
          Replying to @PomoPsiOp @danlistensto

          In a tribal society, a chief leads his warriors by being the most charismatic member of the tribe, they all have the same spears he does. He simply convinces them to direct their aggression away from the village. There is no need for coercion or hierarchy. Just direction.

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        4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 26 Dec 2017
          Replying to @PomoPsiOp

          which tribe?

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        5. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp 26 Dec 2017
          Replying to @danlistensto

          Many. Like, I've literally lost count of how many times I've read an ethnographer explaing that the chief has to convince the other warriors to do anything because he doesn't actually have any authority over them outside of individual respect.

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        6. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp 26 Dec 2017
          Replying to @PomoPsiOp @danlistensto

          Like people will try to ask for specifics but there are so many tribes that all end up repeating the same social dynamics of "Do whatever the fuck you want there's enough food for everyone so we only really fight over women and/or cows, and it's mostly just ritualized posturing."

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        7. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp 26 Dec 2017
          Replying to @PomoPsiOp @danlistensto

          Hierarchical society is the result of agriculture dividing people into warriors and slaves. We just won't admit that anybody who isn't allowed to carry a weapon is obviously a slave.

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        8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 26 Dec 2017
          Replying to @PomoPsiOp

          it's the 2nd amendment though. who's we?

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        9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 26 Dec 2017
          Replying to @danlistensto @PomoPsiOp

          the 2nd amendment is the anti-warlordism clause of the constitution. it's the answer to who watches the watchmen.

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