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    1. Kevin Simler‏ @KevinSimler 7 Nov 2017

      STEELMANNING THREAD! (something to try now that we all have 280...) Rules: 1a. Post arguments/positions you'd like to see steeled. —or— 1b. Jump in and help steel the args/positions others have posted. 2. NO DEBATES. Only argue *in favor* of the point in question. 3. Be kind.

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    2. Kevin Simler‏ @KevinSimler 7 Nov 2017

      I'll start. What are the very best (steeled) arguments for lax gun laws in America? (Bonus: arguments that don't lead to allowing personal nukes.)

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 7 Nov 2017
      Replying to @KevinSimler

      Pragmatically speaking, people committing crimes with guns are almost certainly willing to acquire an illegal gun. Drug prohibition doesn't prevent people from buying drugs and gun prohibition won't prevent people from buying guns.

      8:45 PM - 7 Nov 2017
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        2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 7 Nov 2017
          Replying to @danlistensto @KevinSimler

          A possible interpretation of "lax" w.r.t gun laws might be to favor laws that focus on harm reduction, safety, training, and a culture of responsibility. This is opposed to more "strict" laws that seek to ban and confiscate more indiscriminately.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 7 Nov 2017
          Replying to @danlistensto @KevinSimler

          Constitutional interpretation is relevant here too. I think we can give significant weight to the intent of the 2nd amendment without being reduced to originalists or other contrived positions.

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        4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 7 Nov 2017
          Replying to @danlistensto @KevinSimler

          I don't think the 2nd amendment is very ambiguous. Here is the entire text "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

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        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 7 Nov 2017
          Replying to @danlistensto @KevinSimler

          The intent seems to clearly be for civilians to be independent of the State to provide their own security. Weapons were seen as necessary to ensure that self-provided security was a possibility in this society.

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        6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 7 Nov 2017
          Replying to @danlistensto @KevinSimler

          So of particular relevance in considering which laws and regulations to enact on weapons, is this concern that civilians are indendepent and free people and that we are forewarned by the constitution's authors that depending upon the police is not liberty.

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        7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 7 Nov 2017
          Replying to @danlistensto @KevinSimler

          There is a tacit encouragement towards "well regulated" vigilantism here. That is, a Militia is specifically not a professional body. It is amateur (though hopefully not untrained). The view that non-professionals could perform this role seems antiquated.

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        8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto 7 Nov 2017
          Replying to @danlistensto @KevinSimler

          But can it be salvaged? I'm not sure. Maybe it ought to be though, given the problems our professional police are having in controlling gun violence, and in controlling their own use of guns.

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