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    1. Zontali‏ @cognazor Nov 7

      Zontali Retweeted Sam Harris

      Finding this to be a very useful discussion. Sam Harris seems outmatched here (too much time in the IDW echo chamber), but kudos to him for having @rtraister on his podcast.https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status/1059499902323970048 …

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      Sam HarrisVerified account @SamHarrisOrg
      My conversation with @rtraister is now available on the podcast: https://samharris.org/podcasts/141-metoo-going-far/ …
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    2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Nov 7
      Replying to @cognazor @rtraister

      I enjoyed it too but I didn't perceive Harris as "outmatched". I found that Traister was committed to her ideology and it made the conversation more awkward than it should have been.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Zontali‏ @cognazor Nov 7
      Replying to @danlistensto @rtraister

      Can you unpack how she "was committed to her ideology?". It seemed like he posed challenges, and she gave great nuanced responses and provided historical context.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Nov 7
      Replying to @cognazor @rtraister

      two aspects of it really struck me. the first was her total insistence on focusing on power relationships all the time, and framing power relationships almost entirely based on "caste" (race, gender, and class).

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Nov 7
      Replying to @danlistensto @cognazor @rtraister

      to expand on that even more, she was ridiculously tunnel visioned on the typical leftist identitarian perspective and seemed to make no effort at all to understand why Harris (and many others) evaluate the same events differently.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Nov 7
      Replying to @danlistensto @cognazor @rtraister

      the second aspect was her unwillingness to concede that, yes, actually, quite a lot of excessive vitriol, moral panicking, and unjust treatment of innocent people has occurred as part of the extended social reaction.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Nov 7
      Replying to @danlistensto @cognazor @rtraister

      Harris tried to point her in that direction but was very clumsy. I don't think he was "outmatched" here but rather was pulling his punches out of an attempt to remain genial with an already angry interlocutor.

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    8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Nov 7
      Replying to @danlistensto @cognazor @rtraister

      regardless (thats just my personal assessment), I think they both spent too much time talking about celebrities and twitter outrage mobs and not enough time talking about something more important but much harder to talk about: what has happened in the daily lives of people.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Nov 7
      Replying to @danlistensto @cognazor @rtraister

      generally you can't produce debate-talking-points examples of this kind of stuff because most of it is below the surface, or even needs to be kept discreet for good reasons. I could offer personal anecdotes hear but I'm literally sworn to keep confidence on them.

      7:44 AM - 7 Nov 2018
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        2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Nov 7
          Replying to @danlistensto @cognazor @rtraister

          but the fact is, yes, actually, while there was a HUGE amount of justified anger from women (and men) about many kinds of abuse, there was also (and is still ongoing) a massive exploitation of the moment by bad actors who are causing enormous collateral damage.

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        3. Zontali‏ @cognazor Nov 7
          Replying to @danlistensto @rtraister

          Yeah, you are probably right. But looking more broadly, it seems to be an inevitable counter reaction to the lack of real concern on these issues before.

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