not everything in life is a trolley problem. in fact, nothing real is a trolley problem.
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Replying to @danlistensto @Meaningness and
A more real example: even if you dislike two candidates, they are almost never horrible in exactly the same ways, and those ways do not usually matter to the same degree. The choice represents two different outcomes, and treating them as equivalent is just a mental simplification
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Replying to @erikrjoh @Meaningness and
maybe you've misunderstood me. a lesser evil is certainly not equivalent to a greater evil. one is more evil, and/or differently evil (in worse ways), than the other. voting for the lesser evil might be justifiable pragmatically but it is not voting your conscience.
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Replying to @danlistensto @erikrjoh and
this is all besides the point. the reason to not vote for a person who you do not believe represents your interests is because they do not represent your interests. period. allowing yourself to be used as a pawn because you think there is, abstractly, some ideological win? wtf
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Replying to @danlistensto @Meaningness and
It’s not about an ideological win, or making yourself feel good for voting for someone you like. Voting is about producing outcomes, and even if your choice is to select the least bad outcome, it’s still a moral choice to make. And then vote for someone else next time.
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Replying to @erikrjoh @Meaningness and
the next time will not include any better candidates if you keep voting for bad ones. it's iterated prisoners dilemma. if you never defect, then it never gets any better. tit-for-tat strategy is required to enforce, eventually, mutual cooperation.
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Replying to @danlistensto @Meaningness and
It won’t get any better if you don’t vote, either. Mutual disgust is indistinguishable from apathy, and decisions are made by those that show up. Don’t like the options? Support other candidates, donate to those you believe in, or run for office yourself.
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Replying to @erikrjoh @Meaningness and
all of this is stuff that happens outside of the polling booth. I never said you shouldn't do those things. I said you shouldn't vote for bad candidates.
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Replying to @danlistensto @erikrjoh and
and yes, it will possibly get better if you don't vote. not voting is the defection case here (as opposed to voting for the greater evil, which was never on the table). parties need to receive clear messages that they have gone awry.
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Replying to @danlistensto @erikrjoh and
if you commit to voting for a party no matter what, no matter how bad their candidates are, they have not received the necessary negative feedback. this is how the downward spiral to hyper-polarization and broken politics happened in the first place.
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if the only thing a party needs to get your vote is "we're not as bad as the other team" then they will never ever improve. in fact, they will worsen. calibrate their badness to as much as they can get away with. this has actually happened in America.
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