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    1. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 26
      Replying to @djinnius @notsonyaforwork and

      but it extrapolates that to the level of the whole society, implying that reduced fertility among talented social climbers has a societal net of "shredding IQ". I don't think that claim is justified because it discounts influx of new talented people.

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    2. sam atman‏ @djinnius Oct 26
      Replying to @danlistensto @notsonyaforwork and

      Say we had a rule: you must be "this tall" to go to the city. City would get tall, country short, no? Now: city has one kid and country has three. We've only been doing it for three generations. Breeders equation can tell you the rest.

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    3. sam atman‏ @djinnius Oct 26
      Replying to @djinnius @danlistensto and

      There are free parameters. The direction of the constraints couldn't be clearer from the data.

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    4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 26
      Replying to @djinnius @notsonyaforwork and

      I don't think it's as simple as "city would get tall, country would get short". Yes, city would get tall. No, country wouldn't necessarily get short. It's not nearly as closed a system as the city, and it's supply of tallness is not so finite.

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    5. sam atman‏ @djinnius Oct 26
      Replying to @danlistensto @notsonyaforwork and

      oh you get paid more in the city, are awarded higher social standing, and have more sex partners. tall people tend to choose the city. even if they have short parents. maybe especially if.

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    6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 26
      Replying to @djinnius @notsonyaforwork and

      granted. I find the argument that city gets influx of tall immigrants, and net increase in local tallness over time, to be coherent. It's the other half I'm questioning. Country does not necessarily get "drained".

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    7. sam atman‏ @djinnius Oct 26
      Replying to @danlistensto @notsonyaforwork and

      genes is as genes does you can't have one without the other

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    8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 26
      Replying to @djinnius @notsonyaforwork and

      why? as mentioned previously, the country is not nearly as closed of a system as the country.

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    9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 26
      Replying to @danlistensto @djinnius and

      *as the city

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    10. sam atman‏ @djinnius Oct 26
      Replying to @danlistensto @notsonyaforwork and

      if you're proposing a link like city dwellers retiring to the country and having more kids, it doesn't appear to be happening. yet. massively polygenic systems behave like a powder, kinda. The universities are enriching the g factor. The more efficient they are →

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 26
      Replying to @djinnius @notsonyaforwork and

      > if you're proposing a link like city dwellers retiring to the country and having more kids, no, i'm not. i'm saying that the very large population size of the country (hundreds of millions+, full order of magnitude larger than city) makes this kind of calculus useless.

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        2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 26
          Replying to @danlistensto @djinnius and

          what mechanism suggests we should consider IQ to be a highly conserved quantity in large populations? what mechanism suggests that new high IQ individuals are not emerging from large populations at a faster rate than the city shreds them?

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        3. sam atman‏ @djinnius Oct 26
          Replying to @danlistensto @notsonyaforwork and

          answering either of those questions would be repeating myself.

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        1. sam atman‏ @djinnius Oct 26
          Replying to @danlistensto @notsonyaforwork and

          It doesn't, though. The numbers are irrefutable. The universities and yes, cities, are large enough to do it. College is a double-digit-percent affair.

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