@weirddoggies >fuck prong collars
probably not the right place or time but I'd like to discuss this one with you if you're up for it. I've worked with professionals for many hours and across many sessions, some including me, some not.
Both dogs choke themselves w/o prongs.
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They don't hurt the dogs at all if they are fitted properly and the dog isn't missing fur around their neck. They don't mind wearing the prong collars all day although I do usually take them off.
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If I put a harness or gentle leader they're pawing at their muzzle constantly or scrambling around getting tangled trying to get out of them. Am I to ignore the apparent expressed desires of my dogs here and force them into something they hate in lieu of something they don't?
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They get excited and present themselves when I grab the prong collars. If they feared them or felt they would cause them pain they would _not_ do this. They evince aversion to other such things.
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I’m glad you were happy with your prong experience, but they are not humane. They are a negative reinforcement tool as much as choke and e-collars. All dogs are different, you do you, but please don’t come at me with “humane” reasoning. This is literally my life.
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They _can_ be humane, but they aren't necessarily so. It depends entirely upon how they are used. They aren't getting wrenched around or popped all the time because they know how to walk decently on PCs.
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This was something that troubled me greatly so I discussed the situation with several pros, some associated with an institution/company, some not to make sure it was okay. The answer was unanimous.
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It's great that you are so excellent that you can train them past this eventually but there's a whole rest of the world that isn't able to do what you do and we need to find the most humane possible solutions for everyone else.
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If I thought someone was applying prongs inappropriately or incorrectly, I would steer them away from it to alternatives and frame it as a last resort. They were my last resort that I kept having to return to because the dogs hated everything else!
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Okay. Seriously, you do you. Prong collars are a convenient tool for a lot of people and it does have results. But it is literally a negative reinforcement tool that *I* choose not to use and I will side eye anyone using one incorrectly (which was literally what this was about).
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I really don’t need any more explanation about my career field, though. Prong collars are convenient, they work. They aren’t abuse, but they are definitely a bandaid used for behavior issues.
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