Two thoughts: Surprising no one, /r/programming has a better sense of humor than Hacker News. The whole thing seems like A+ trolling, but according to backchannel commentary, the devs are sincerely religious.
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Also, I have no objection to the CoC, because the preface explicitly says: "The entire rule is good and wholesome, and yet we make no enforcement of the more introspective aspects." And...
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...community members "are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that honors the overarching spirit of the rule, even if they disagree with specific details. Polite and professional discussion is always welcomed, from anyone." Not actually exclusionary, so whatever.
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Replying to @sonyaellenmann
seems more like "we're letting you stick around, but we want to make sure to let you know that as non-Christians you're second class contributors" to me
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Replying to @hikikomorphism @sonyaellenmann
it does read that way but I think it was intentional because many prog/woke CoCs read that way as well except for a different religion
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Replying to @danlistensto @sonyaellenmann
sure, but I don't really mind alienating people who think that requiring people to use other's preferred pronouns is equivalent to sharia law. I get that that's how some people feel, but understanding a mindset doesn't mean you need to think it's valid.
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my problem is this https://twitter.com/sonyaellenmann/status/1043551132612608004 … requiring pronoun respect I think is good, kicking out Larry Garfield for having an unusual relationship otoh
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🤖 Sonya Mann 🎀Verified account @sonyaellenmannReplying to @wibrr @amiguello1 @ptcnrvI wasn't arguing against CoCs, I think they're fine generally for the reasons you laid out. In FL/OSS projects they're a shibboleth. Pushing for a CoC has tended to result in "yay, now we can purge all the wrongthinkers!"2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes -
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oh yeah, that's a good example of overreach. If anything, though, it feels like something coming from the other side. Dude was having a non-standard but consensual sexual relationship, some prudes freaked out and banned him despite it not being a CoC-prohibited situation.
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Replying to @hikikomorphism @sonyaellenmann
this is referring to the case of Larry Garfield and his ejection from the Drupal community? sorry to say but that was driven by a prudish faction of SJWs.
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Replying to @danlistensto @sonyaellenmann
good point, just googled a few more details. Anyway, that was a fairly exceptional case because IIRC there wasn't really much attempt to tie it to CoC violations, it was more of a by BDFL fiat type thing
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yes, the biggest error committed there was by the BDFL who consistently caved in to pressure from SJW activists and committed many unjust acts. otoh, the SJW activists 100% did use the adoption of the CoC as a political opening to pressure the BDFL with. it was an organized hit.
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I agree that that is an exceptional case. it appears to have not happened in very many FOSS projects, but it's a good cautionary tale. that's the first slip down the slope. it's not very far away.
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This is the free software community we are talking about. The one that turned restrictive copyright law into a user-protecting viral license via clever legal hacks. Of course they will pervert any CoC eventually.
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