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    1.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann Oct 22

      The SQLite CoC thing is amazing. 1) https://www.sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html … 2) Explanation from the apparent project lead: http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-CoC-td104277.html#a104336 … 3) Hacker News thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273530#18276906 … 4) /r/programming thread:https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9qedai/sqlite_adopts_new_code_of_conduct/ …

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    2.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann Oct 22

      Two thoughts: Surprising no one, /r/programming has a better sense of humor than Hacker News. The whole thing seems like A+ trolling, but according to backchannel commentary, the devs are sincerely religious.

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    3.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann Oct 22

      Also, I have no objection to the CoC, because the preface explicitly says: "The entire rule is good and wholesome, and yet we make no enforcement of the more introspective aspects." And...

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    4.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann Oct 22

      ...community members "are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that honors the overarching spirit of the rule, even if they disagree with specific details. Polite and professional discussion is always welcomed, from anyone." Not actually exclusionary, so whatever.

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    5. hikikomorphism 🏝 🛰️‏ @hikikomorphism Oct 22
      Replying to @sonyaellenmann

      seems more like "we're letting you stick around, but we want to make sure to let you know that as non-Christians you're second class contributors" to me

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    6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 22
      Replying to @hikikomorphism @sonyaellenmann

      it does read that way but I think it was intentional because many prog/woke CoCs read that way as well except for a different religion

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    7. hikikomorphism 🏝 🛰️‏ @hikikomorphism Oct 22
      Replying to @danlistensto @sonyaellenmann

      sure, but I don't really mind alienating people who think that requiring people to use other's preferred pronouns is equivalent to sharia law. I get that that's how some people feel, but understanding a mindset doesn't mean you need to think it's valid.

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    8.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann Oct 22
      Replying to @hikikomorphism @danlistensto

       🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀 Retweeted  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀

      my problem is this https://twitter.com/sonyaellenmann/status/1043551132612608004 … requiring pronoun respect I think is good, kicking out Larry Garfield for having an unusual relationship otoh

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       🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀Verified account @sonyaellenmann
      Replying to @wibrr @amiguello1 @ptcnrv
      I wasn't arguing against CoCs, I think they're fine generally for the reasons you laid out. In FL/OSS projects they're a shibboleth. Pushing for a CoC has tended to result in "yay, now we can purge all the wrongthinkers!"
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    9. hikikomorphism 🏝 🛰️‏ @hikikomorphism Oct 22
      Replying to @sonyaellenmann @danlistensto

      oh yeah, that's a good example of overreach. If anything, though, it feels like something coming from the other side. Dude was having a non-standard but consensual sexual relationship, some prudes freaked out and banned him despite it not being a CoC-prohibited situation.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 22
      Replying to @hikikomorphism @sonyaellenmann

      this is referring to the case of Larry Garfield and his ejection from the Drupal community? sorry to say but that was driven by a prudish faction of SJWs.

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        2. hikikomorphism 🏝 🛰️‏ @hikikomorphism Oct 22
          Replying to @danlistensto @sonyaellenmann

          good point, just googled a few more details. Anyway, that was a fairly exceptional case because IIRC there wasn't really much attempt to tie it to CoC violations, it was more of a by BDFL fiat type thing

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 22
          Replying to @hikikomorphism @sonyaellenmann

          yes, the biggest error committed there was by the BDFL who consistently caved in to pressure from SJW activists and committed many unjust acts. otoh, the SJW activists 100% did use the adoption of the CoC as a political opening to pressure the BDFL with. it was an organized hit.

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        4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 22
          Replying to @danlistensto @hikikomorphism @sonyaellenmann

          I agree that that is an exceptional case. it appears to have not happened in very many FOSS projects, but it's a good cautionary tale. that's the first slip down the slope. it's not very far away.

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        5. Santiago Tórtora‏ @lordcataplanga Oct 22
          Replying to @danlistensto @hikikomorphism @sonyaellenmann

          This is the free software community we are talking about. The one that turned restrictive copyright law into a user-protecting viral license via clever legal hacks. Of course they will pervert any CoC eventually.

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