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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 18
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      they've already done lots of things impacting American interests. surely you're not unaware of their political influence campaign spending. you think they're lobbying for what's best for America?

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    2. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Oct 18
      Replying to @danlistensto

      I'm pretty insulated from political news, actually. I vaguely recall various Saudi lobbying efforts, and yes, I oppose them, but I don't think a military response is warranted, if that's what you're proposing.

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 18
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      I'm not. I haven't proposed anything, but if you're asking for my armchair opinion, I'd propose recalling the ambassador and investigating all of those influence campaigns.

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    4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 18
      Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer

      they're a cartoonishly evil regime and the only reason we deal with them is because of oil. our military bases in KSA are the most significant reason Al Qaeda turned on America in the first place. our entanglements there have already done tremendous damage.

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    5. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Oct 18
      Replying to @danlistensto

      It seems we're substantively in agreement, but that none of your beliefs are really precipitated by the recent journalist slaying as such.

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    6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 18
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      it hasn't changed my prior opinion, which was already that Saudi Arabia should be considered an enemy nation. this does reinforce my views though.

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    7. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Oct 18
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Just so.

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    8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 18
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      the murder of Kasshogi is definitely substantive cause to eject the Saudi embassy from the United States though. this won't be done, but I think it ought to be.

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    9. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Oct 18
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Haven't we hustled a bunch of SA citizens who were on U.S. soil to Guantanamo or Gitmo to be tortured?

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    10. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 18
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      yes, and we shouldn't have, but in their cases they were at least accused of terrorism or were military combatants. the U.S. is deeply hypocritical, but we're the hegemon so we get to be.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 18
      Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer

      i'm uncertain how many Gitmo detainees were apprehended actually on U.S. soil though. maybe non-zero, but my recollection (grain of salt here) is that the majority were captured in Afghanistan.

      12:22 PM - 18 Oct 2018
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        2. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Oct 18
          Replying to @danlistensto

          1/I guess we're in alignment re: the U.S. being hegemon, and the substantive evils of the Saudi state. The argument re: Gitmo is that we kidnapped and detained people for violating our substantive laws, those laws express sovereign power (imperium in imperio), hence it's just a

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        3. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Oct 18
          Replying to @PereGrimmer @danlistensto

          2/matter of different expressions of sovereign will differentiating those cases from the SA journo butchery. Anyhow, it seems we are mainly separated here in re: substantive response to the SA evil. My belief is that any military response, including actions which may provoke same

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        4. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Oct 18
          Replying to @PereGrimmer @danlistensto

          3/should be so absolute and total as to provoke an _in terrorem_ effect even in religious zealots. But I don't really have a good sense of the tug and play of diplomatic relations -- as I said elsewhere in this thread, I'm an int'l relations naif.

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