if a country has demonstrated its willingness to use embassy "sovereign territory" status to commit torture and murder, maybe they shouldn't be granted that territory in America perhaps.
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Just so.
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the murder of Kasshogi is definitely substantive cause to eject the Saudi embassy from the United States though. this won't be done, but I think it ought to be.
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Haven't we hustled a bunch of SA citizens who were on U.S. soil to Guantanamo or Gitmo to be tortured?
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yes, and we shouldn't have, but in their cases they were at least accused of terrorism or were military combatants. the U.S. is deeply hypocritical, but we're the hegemon so we get to be.
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i'm uncertain how many Gitmo detainees were apprehended actually on U.S. soil though. maybe non-zero, but my recollection (grain of salt here) is that the majority were captured in Afghanistan.
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1/I guess we're in alignment re: the U.S. being hegemon, and the substantive evils of the Saudi state. The argument re: Gitmo is that we kidnapped and detained people for violating our substantive laws, those laws express sovereign power (imperium in imperio), hence it's just a
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2/matter of different expressions of sovereign will differentiating those cases from the SA journo butchery. Anyhow, it seems we are mainly separated here in re: substantive response to the SA evil. My belief is that any military response, including actions which may provoke same
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3/should be so absolute and total as to provoke an _in terrorem_ effect even in religious zealots. But I don't really have a good sense of the tug and play of diplomatic relations -- as I said elsewhere in this thread, I'm an int'l relations naif.
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