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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Oct 18

      Is there some reason America should care about some journalist killed abroad? I mean rationally.

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    2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 18
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      yes. the journalist was Turkish but what if the next one is a U.S. national? this journalist was killed in the Saudi embassy of his native country. The Saudis have embassies in lots of places, including America.

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    3. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Oct 18
      Replying to @danlistensto

      So it was a foreign national (with a U.S. green card) on Saudi sovereign territory? Eh.

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    4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 18
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      if a country has demonstrated its willingness to use embassy "sovereign territory" status to commit torture and murder, maybe they shouldn't be granted that territory in America perhaps.

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    5. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Oct 18
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Maybe. I don't really see the relevance. Is there really any practical concern about a rash of killing & dismemberment in Saudi embassies hosted in the U.S.? (Wouldn't people just avoid those embassies?)

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 18
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      probably the Saudi regime is embarrassed enough by this that they won't try it again and not in America in any case. there's no doubt they they would like to be able to though, if they weren't too fucking dumb to get away with it cleanly.

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        2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 18
          Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer

          seems foolish to rely upon a villain's own incompetence to keep them in check rather than dealing with their villainy directly.

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        3. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Oct 18
          Replying to @danlistensto

          If they do something that impacts American interests, I say deal with them forcefully by deposing the royal family, killing every blood relative of them down to first degree, appropriating many of the countries' valuable assets, and demanding tribute for, say, a decade.

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        4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 18
          Replying to @PereGrimmer

          they've already done lots of things impacting American interests. surely you're not unaware of their political influence campaign spending. you think they're lobbying for what's best for America?

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        5. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Oct 18
          Replying to @danlistensto

          I'm pretty insulated from political news, actually. I vaguely recall various Saudi lobbying efforts, and yes, I oppose them, but I don't think a military response is warranted, if that's what you're proposing.

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        6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 18
          Replying to @PereGrimmer

          I'm not. I haven't proposed anything, but if you're asking for my armchair opinion, I'd propose recalling the ambassador and investigating all of those influence campaigns.

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        7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 18
          Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer

          they're a cartoonishly evil regime and the only reason we deal with them is because of oil. our military bases in KSA are the most significant reason Al Qaeda turned on America in the first place. our entanglements there have already done tremendous damage.

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        8. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Oct 18
          Replying to @danlistensto

          It seems we're substantively in agreement, but that none of your beliefs are really precipitated by the recent journalist slaying as such.

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        9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 18
          Replying to @PereGrimmer

          it hasn't changed my prior opinion, which was already that Saudi Arabia should be considered an enemy nation. this does reinforce my views though.

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