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    1. Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!‏ @legalinspire Oct 16
      Replying to @danlistensto @WomanCorn @vgr

      I don't know that it can be dismissed as a delusion. Saruman was a Maia, as was Sauron. Sauron was a member of a far higher order of Maiar, but they were not different in *kind.* With the One Ring, which held a great deal of Sauron's power, could Saruman have...

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    2. Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!‏ @legalinspire Oct 16
      Replying to @legalinspire @danlistensto and

      stolen that power, or restrained Sauron, to the point where he was an equal or even the stronger?

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    3. Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!‏ @legalinspire Oct 16
      Replying to @legalinspire @danlistensto and

      And whether he would have succeeded or not, was it an *irrational* thing to think?

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    4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 16
      Replying to @legalinspire @WomanCorn @vgr

      nobody that tried ever succeeded. Gandalf and all of the Elf lords seemed quite convinced it was totally impossible for any Maiar (or lesser) to dominate Sauron's ring. so that's at least 4 rational actors who disagreed with Saruman.

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    5. Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!‏ @legalinspire Oct 16
      Replying to @danlistensto @WomanCorn @vgr

      Neither Gandalf nor the Elf lords were omniscient or infallible. All of them made major mistakes regarding various matters. Also, Saruman was more powerful than all of them, at least until Gandalf leveled up. He was definitely older than all but Gandalf...

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    6. Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!‏ @legalinspire Oct 16
      Replying to @legalinspire @danlistensto and

      ... and arguably more knowledgeable than any of them. (Gandalf says specifically that Saruman has been studying ring-lore.) Does it matter how many people think one thing if someone who knows better thinks another?

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    7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 16
      Replying to @legalinspire @WomanCorn @vgr

      well, we're talking ex-post facto here so we already know that in this particular case, yes it did matter and Saruman should have accepted the consensus on the ring. he was arrogant and believed himself superior enough to succeed where others had failed. he was wrong.

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    8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 16
      Replying to @danlistensto @legalinspire and

      in general is it irrational to break with consensus? that depends on how the consensus was formed. if it's just a social norm then it's not irrational. if it's based on the best available evidence then yes it is irrational to break with it unless you have new evidence.

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    9. Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!‏ @legalinspire Oct 16
      Replying to @danlistensto @WomanCorn @vgr

      There was *no* available evidence for what would happen if Saruman got hold of the ring. Gandalf and the Elflords had one theory: Saruman had another. We will never know which was correct. I suspect Saruman *was* wrong, inasumch as a fictional character can be "wrong."

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    10. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 16
      Replying to @legalinspire @WomanCorn @vgr

      we absolutely have evidence. we know that the rings rapidly corrupt any mortals and that all 9 of the human kings and all 7 of the dwarf lords became corrupted this way. we also know that the other 3 Wizards became corrupted by various means (if not necessarily rings of power).

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 16
      Replying to @danlistensto @legalinspire and

      so we have the most corrupting object in the entire world in the hands of entity that is provably susceptible to corruption.

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