arguably Saruman's will is enslaved to Saurons due to corruption experienced via the compromised Palantir network
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Replying to @danlistensto @vgr
Hmm.. Saruman at least appears to be making choices. I didn't pick Sauron because he's more like a situation than a character. Also because he's the most enslaved to the ring. Saruman seemed... Allied, but not whammied. He tried to sell Gandalf on alliance now, betray later.
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Replying to @WomanCorn @vgr
Gandalf literally told Saruman: "the ring knows only one master and it isn't you, buddy" Saruman was attempting to usurp Sauron and thought he could get away with it. A delusion Sauron allowed him to cultivate because it made him short-term useful.
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I don't know that it can be dismissed as a delusion. Saruman was a Maia, as was Sauron. Sauron was a member of a far higher order of Maiar, but they were not different in *kind.* With the One Ring, which held a great deal of Sauron's power, could Saruman have...
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Replying to @legalinspire @danlistensto and
stolen that power, or restrained Sauron, to the point where he was an equal or even the stronger?
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And whether he would have succeeded or not, was it an *irrational* thing to think?
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nobody that tried ever succeeded. Gandalf and all of the Elf lords seemed quite convinced it was totally impossible for any Maiar (or lesser) to dominate Sauron's ring. so that's at least 4 rational actors who disagreed with Saruman.
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I think Saruman's error was in believing that the ring contained only the _power_ of Sauron. In fact the ring _was_ Sauron.
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And is it irrational for an ancient supernatural being to think that if he has a literal piece of his enemy's heart and soul in his hand, he could control or overpower that enemy? I don't see why. It might be and probably is WRONG, but it's not irrational.
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the likeliest outcome of Saruman possessing and wearing the ring would be his transformation into some kind of super Nazgul in the service of Sauron. if he didn't wear the thing the corruption would have taken longer.
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Sauron is patient. a few hundred years should do the trick, assuming Mordor's armies couldn't just outright sack Isengard and reclaim the ring.
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