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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 12

    how do you get people to wake up to their ideological possession? how do you get them to notice the mind parasite they've invited in?

    11:47 AM - 12 Oct 2018
    • 2 Retweets
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    • Alex Godofsky eigenrobot Adam Symora Class Trader Aurea Suñol simpolism relaxed🚿 Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!
    8 replies 2 retweets 17 likes
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      2. simpolism‏ @simpolism Oct 12
        Replying to @danlistensto

        1. make them trust you 2. give them a paradox which cannot be resolved from within their ideological system

        3 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
      3. simpolism‏ @simpolism Oct 12
        Replying to @simpolism @danlistensto

        I believe you told ME this.

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 12
        Replying to @simpolism

        I do recall telling you that. It's reasonably effective in 1 on 1 relationships with people with established trust and mutual respect. Today I'm wondering about how to do it with people I don't know very well.

        4 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      5. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Oct 12
        Replying to @danlistensto @simpolism

        best to not do this imo or do a super super soft sell "oh you don't want to know about all that" let them come to you

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 12
        Replying to @eigenrobot @simpolism

        this is what i'm concluding. wish there was a scalable way to do it though. we've seen the consequences of ideological parasites being scalable but their cures not being scalable.

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      7. simpolism‏ @simpolism Oct 12
        Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot

        how does one escape from the dialectic of "other ideologies are wrong and mine is right" vs "relativism; all ideologies are wrong"?

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 12
        Replying to @simpolism @eigenrobot

        simple: ideologies are not the type of thing that can be judged right or wrong without context. they can be used as tools, and tools can be judged useful or useless or even harmful. if you insist on using the same tool for every task you're possessed though.

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 12
        Replying to @danlistensto @simpolism @eigenrobot

        in other words, an idea is a tool. an ideology is a pathology of ideas.

        0 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
      10. End of conversation
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      2. relaxed 🚿‏ @TRULY_RELAXED Oct 12
        Replying to @danlistensto

        practice on yourself by memeing yourself into and out of something

        2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. Public Nuisance‏ @3rdburned Oct 12
        Replying to @TRULY_RELAXED @danlistensto

        Be careful chief, first part is easy. Step 2 is a much more formidable

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 12
        Replying to @3rdburned @TRULY_RELAXED

        the chapel perilous. the way out is through.

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      5. End of conversation
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      2. Andre‏ @androgynandre Oct 12
        Replying to @danlistensto

        is it possible they become inoculated against any efforts to persuade them by hearing their tentatively justified beliefs called "mind parasites"

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      3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 12
        Replying to @androgynandre

        yes, I don't use this kind of language with the possessed

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!‏ @legalinspire Oct 12
        Replying to @danlistensto

        No one can be told what the Matrix is.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 12
        Replying to @legalinspire

        you know I really wish "red pill" wasn't a tainted metaphor because that's a damn good movie

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!‏ @legalinspire Oct 12
        Replying to @danlistensto

        Agreed.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. End of conversation
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      2. Daniel Klein‏ @othercriteria Oct 12
        Replying to @danlistensto

        Have you tried...?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 12
        Replying to @othercriteria

        yes

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Daniel Klein‏ @othercriteria Oct 12
        Replying to @danlistensto

        (http://grognor.blogspot.com/2016/12/have-you-tried-solving-problem.html …)

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