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    1. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget Oct 4

      the claim that the 'grievance studies hoax' is a 'coordinated attack from the right' makes me wonder what other 'coordinated attacks from the right' were nothing of the sort?

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 4
      Replying to @ColumPaget

      it was a coordinated attack and it did come from the right (relatively speaking) of those who were attacked. in my mind that doesn't discredit the result, but I do think it's a fair description.

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        2. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget Oct 4
          Replying to @danlistensto

          I don't agree. 'Relatively speaking' is completely meaningless. I can make a case that postmodern feminist academics are actually to the right of me. When people say 'a co-ordinated attack from the right' they are implying something in particular.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 4
          Replying to @ColumPaget

          it was literally a conspiracy intended to humiliate its targets. just because lindsay, pluckrose, and boghosian are moderates doesn't change the nature of what they did. maybe it had to be done but it was very much a dick move.

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        4. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget Oct 4
          Replying to @danlistensto

          it's not intended to humilate it's targets any more than a sting operation against a drug cartel is intended to humilate them. It's intended to expose corruption, and thus it's not a dick move.

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        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 4
          Replying to @ColumPaget

          being necessary and justified (and I do think it was justified) does not prevent something from being a dick move. it was hostile and deceitful.

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        6. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget Oct 4
          Replying to @danlistensto

          it's as hostile and deceitful as any whistleblowing, no more, no less. Misbehavior needs to be exposed.

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        2. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget Oct 4
          Replying to @danlistensto

          Firstly, what does 'co-ordinated' mean? If I decide to pull a prank while drunk with some mates, that could be 'co-ordinated'. I mean, if three people working together is co-ordinated, what isn't? Only lone gunman shootings and the like.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 4
          Replying to @ColumPaget

          it was 3 people (possibly with support staff?) working together over a period of 10+ months. what else does coordinated mean? you're overthinking it.

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        4. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget Oct 4
          Replying to @danlistensto

          well, as I said, in that case most everything is co-ordinated, so why use the word at all?

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        1. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget Oct 4
          Replying to @danlistensto

          but in these statements 'co-ordinated' is being used to imply a large-scale conspiracy, and I don't think that's the case here. Secondly there's the question of what 'the right' means in this case. Three people acting independantly aren't 'the right'.

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        2. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget Oct 4
          Replying to @danlistensto

          The words are intended to imply a well-funded and large-scale conspiracy (and we'll probably late hear that it has roots to gamergate or some such, because that's what they always say). I've not seen any evidence that such a conspiracy exists.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 4
          Replying to @ColumPaget

          eh, maybe you're just reading some particularly conspiratorial reaction threads.

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        4. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget Oct 4
          Replying to @danlistensto

          no, though I'm sure that will come later. I'm just reading someone saying something like: "everyone stand with our colleges in fat studies, this is a co-ordinated attack from the right". That use of words is what we see all the time.

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