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    1. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 3
      Replying to @MariBeingTime

      hey! Alan Watts was an incorrigible drunk and womanizer but he's pretty cool and just the right level of blasphemous for my tastes

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    2. COMPLICATIONS OF INSOMNIA‏ @MariBeingTime Oct 3
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      My problem with Watts is what he said about Jack Kerouac. That he would be that pretentious, that downright nasty and petty, for me, invalidates everything he had to say.

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 3
      Replying to @MariBeingTime

      what did he say about Kerouac?

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    4. COMPLICATIONS OF INSOMNIA‏ @MariBeingTime Oct 3
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Kerouac had been studying and practicing and had begun trying to write sutras in vernacular English rather than scholarly work for the upper classes. When asked about him, Watts said that K "had zen flesh but no zen bones". Kerouac struggled and practiced. Watts was a performer.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 3
      Replying to @MariBeingTime

      Kerouac was also a performer. Watts was also a practicioner. Watts' remark seems like a reference to Bodhidarma's dharma transmission and I wouldn't read that as an insultpic.twitter.com/hQZjKJZM9A

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        2. COMPLICATIONS OF INSOMNIA‏ @MariBeingTime Oct 3
          Replying to @danlistensto

          It certainly was. And yes, Watts was referencing that passage. Kerouac was a writer...but one that was uncomfortable with fame. "I am not a Zen Buddhist, I am not advocating Zen Buddhism, I am not trying to convert anyone to it. I have nothing to sell. I'm an entertainer." Watts

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 3
          Replying to @MariBeingTime

          a much more respectable position than that of an itinerant preacher, which he was assiduously trying to avoid. I don't see why any of this causes you to judge Watts poorly.

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        4. COMPLICATIONS OF INSOMNIA‏ @MariBeingTime Oct 3
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          Basically, and I have thought long and hard about *why* it sets me off the way it does (bc Buddhism lol), and I'm thinking it's because some upper-class lecturer was putting down a working class person who was genuinely trying to practice the dharma bc of his suffering.

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        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Oct 3
          Replying to @MariBeingTime

          again, I just don't see it as an insult. Was Bodhidarma insulting Zong Chi? I interpret it as a comment about the nature of practice. Watts would probably say of himself that he only had Zen Skin.

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        6. COMPLICATIONS OF INSOMNIA‏ @MariBeingTime Oct 3
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          In the case of Bodhidharma, we've got an advanced practitioner choosing his successor among very advanced practitioners. A crucial moment in Zen. In the case of Watts and Kerouac it was a guy in a magazine talking smack using Buddhist jargon.

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        7. COMPLICATIONS OF INSOMNIA‏ @MariBeingTime Oct 3
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          Dan, it is perfectly okay if you like Watts. Lots of people do. I just don't, and I'm not going to. Did he lie in his lectures? No. Was he a bad man? Not particularly. Was he a jerk? That's subjective. I say yes, but it's not holy writ.

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