1/We still have dueling, it's just more abstract, such that you have to squint to discern what's really going on. There are lanes. We made them. If someone erased them, we'd make them again. There are lanes because lanes are useful. People drive on one side of the road or the
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2/other. It doesn't matter which. It just matters that they pick a side. It's a coordination game. One could with great effort get everyone to switch sides. But the chaotic state where people randomly pick a side won't last long. It's not useful.
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we may have a communication problem. the phrase "stay in your lane" is used by a particular variety of activist and means something like "segregation is good and intermixing of communities is harmful and we will police against it".
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Ah. Yeah, I mean it in the more widely-used idiomatic sense of "don't butt into other people's business."pic.twitter.com/aRf16fjwd2
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I think it is really the case that it is in our own familial self-interest to collaborate with lots of other similarly self-interested families, and that this is rightly the basis of community formation. America as a society has fucked up the process of determining...
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...which people are aligned in their interests and ought to collaborate in their business. this is the consequence of the culture war. the civil cold war (better name for it). until we solve this problem I don't see a way out.
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1/I would just deny there's a problem. The idea of a "nation" is very abstract; it's an emergent property of a sufficient number of people who have a similar-enough view of what a "nation" is. The nation-state is an effective level of organization to have (it seems) for waging
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2/modern wars & having a modern economy; but that doesn't mean there's any cause for us to worry about this level of organization in our day-to-day. Rather, we can (each of us, all of us) discover, create, & partake of local norms which are useful, in communities we create. And
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3/so it has ever been! There's not much need for citizens to think of "the nation" unless the nation is in peril (say, by an invading force that poses an existential threat), or if the nation itself puts citizens in peril (which happens, but unlikely to happen to citizenry as
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4/as a whole). As such, as I said, I'd advocate for finding the level of abstraction best suited to movement and control. It's doubtful the highest level.
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the people who live in America are imperiled by the thing that calls itself the Nation of America. the Nation has too much control over their lives and the stakes are so high that they war against each other for the reins that command this power.
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