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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Sep 6
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Why would I be thinking about 'the future of the country,' which I can't affect? Getting emotionally invested in stuff you can't change is a recipe for anxiety. I can effect change locally; try to make things better for me and my family, day by day. I'll focus there.

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    2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Sep 6
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      your own family's future _is_ the future of the country.

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Sep 6
      Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer

      if more people were honest about what matters and admitted that their own familial self-interest is the most legitimate concern in their life we would have a better society. too many people worrying about how other people live, and concern themselves with policing the baddies.

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    4. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Sep 6
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Yea, people should stay in their lane. As the man said, "ain't nobody's business if you do."

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    5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Sep 6
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      there's no lanes. "stay in your lane" is about policing the outgroup. there's no lanes. your business is whatever you say it is. there's no lanes. we work together by identifying mutual interests.

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    6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Sep 6
      Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer

      when someone says my business is their business then we have a conflict. interpersonal power struggles are a feature of being a social primate. bring back dueling imo. if people really want to make someone else's business their business they should be prepared for what comes.

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    7. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Sep 6
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      1/We still have dueling, it's just more abstract, such that you have to squint to discern what's really going on. There are lanes. We made them. If someone erased them, we'd make them again. There are lanes because lanes are useful. People drive on one side of the road or the

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    8. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Sep 6
      Replying to @PereGrimmer @danlistensto

      2/other. It doesn't matter which. It just matters that they pick a side. It's a coordination game. One could with great effort get everyone to switch sides. But the chaotic state where people randomly pick a side won't last long. It's not useful.

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    9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Sep 6
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      we may have a communication problem. the phrase "stay in your lane" is used by a particular variety of activist and means something like "segregation is good and intermixing of communities is harmful and we will police against it".

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    10. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Sep 6
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Ah. Yeah, I mean it in the more widely-used idiomatic sense of "don't butt into other people's business."pic.twitter.com/aRf16fjwd2

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Sep 6
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      I think it is really the case that it is in our own familial self-interest to collaborate with lots of other similarly self-interested families, and that this is rightly the basis of community formation. America as a society has fucked up the process of determining...

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        2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Sep 6
          Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer

          ...which people are aligned in their interests and ought to collaborate in their business. this is the consequence of the culture war. the civil cold war (better name for it). until we solve this problem I don't see a way out.

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        3. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Sep 6
          Replying to @danlistensto

          1/I would just deny there's a problem. The idea of a "nation" is very abstract; it's an emergent property of a sufficient number of people who have a similar-enough view of what a "nation" is. The nation-state is an effective level of organization to have (it seems) for waging

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        4. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Sep 6
          Replying to @PereGrimmer @danlistensto

          2/modern wars & having a modern economy; but that doesn't mean there's any cause for us to worry about this level of organization in our day-to-day. Rather, we can (each of us, all of us) discover, create, & partake of local norms which are useful, in communities we create. And

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        5. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Sep 6
          Replying to @PereGrimmer @danlistensto

          3/so it has ever been! There's not much need for citizens to think of "the nation" unless the nation is in peril (say, by an invading force that poses an existential threat), or if the nation itself puts citizens in peril (which happens, but unlikely to happen to citizenry as

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        6. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Sep 6
          Replying to @PereGrimmer @danlistensto

          4/as a whole). As such, as I said, I'd advocate for finding the level of abstraction best suited to movement and control. It's doubtful the highest level.

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        7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Sep 6
          Replying to @PereGrimmer

          the people who live in America are imperiled by the thing that calls itself the Nation of America. the Nation has too much control over their lives and the stakes are so high that they war against each other for the reins that command this power.

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