I don't think it was always like this, or at least not to this degree. not that everything was great in the past but that the particular form of hollowing out of the state seems to have begun in the 80s and accelerated continuously for the last ~35 years.
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incarcerated population corroborates this pretty elegantly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States …pic.twitter.com/h3S59wShg7
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Hmm is this the state hollowing out or metastasizing tho Maybe both
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Part of it is that society went bugnuts back in the late 60's/early 70's and "tough on crime" got a major boost, resulting in sentencing getting WAY harsher in the 80's and continuing to date with few reversals.
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There is an article somewhere online about Joanne Chesimard and it mentions people shooting state troopers with shotguns and getting 2 months in jail in the 70's and citing it as an example of why harsh sentencing was imposed by Congress when the courts wouldn't do it.
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that seems like a less useful example because it is both reasonable and NOT at all what is mostly responsible for the exponential rise in incarcerated population (it's like 95% drug convictions)
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Major issue is not conviction rate but length of sentences. Long ass prison stays as a default are fairly modern
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its both though. the population growth rate does reflect a quadratic (at minimum) growth curve so conviction rate and sentencing policies interact to cause this. the decision to criminalize common small scale drug use is the major factor.
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In overall incarceration rates, yes, but as we've discussed the two are working in tandem. If sentences weren't so harsh tough drug laws wouldn't be so devastating, if drug laws were looser long sentences for small scale drug activity would be much less common.
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Tangent: If we changed the drug laws to decriminalize possession of less than a very large amount of marijuana, are we really just creating a marijuana anti-trust scheme?
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in that small scale operations will be legally barred from merging into a large scale company? yeah, I guess. otoh why not legalize it and create an export industry (like with wine and spirits)?
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I'm okay with that. The thought just struck me funny. The idea that drug cartels are accidentally created government monopolies is not a new one. I just turned it around. :)
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