is satisfaction of your core values what we care about? I mentioned context-limited utility as a value because it focuses on solving real problems instead of just attaining a kind of spiritual satisfaction (whatever that might mean).
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Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer
Yes, I was defining "good" as "whatever satisfies one's core values." However, what if we only solve real problems for the spiritual satisfaction (or escape from boredom, I guess), and it's simply *extra* spiritually satisfying if the problems are real?
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Replying to @simpolism @PereGrimmer
when I'm hungry my problem is I need to eat nourishing food. if I don't eat nourishing food I will become sick and eventually die. it doesn't matter how spiritually satisfying I find eating to be. case in point: anorexics are spiritually repulsed by eating but they still have to.
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Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer
I am reminded of this passage from Maslow's "A Theory of Human Motivation"pic.twitter.com/4VrppLSqze
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Replying to @simpolism @PereGrimmer
right, but he does organize them in a hierarchy with food & shelter on the bottom (most essential), so once those needs are met we have to grapple with other problems that arise that are on levels beyond mere subsistence.
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Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer
Sure, but I argue that the *act of meeting one's needs* can be framed as a spiritual endeavor (maybe even, is the essential feature of a spiritual endeavor?), regardless of which need.
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Replying to @simpolism @PereGrimmer
yes, and the hierarchy defines in what proportion of substance:spirit if I'm reading the theory correctly
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Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer
I'm not certain that it's a continuum from most substantive vs most spiritual, could see it as claiming that spirituality imbues all levels, but merely that there's a hierarchy in terms of which needs must be satisfied first/are stronger biologically.
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Replying to @simpolism @PereGrimmer
you don't see that? self-actualization is a need that is 100% spiritual whereas physical subsistence is a need that is 100% physical. the rest of the pyramid in proportion between those. 100% physical need does not mean devoid of spirit, but like, trace quantities.
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Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer
I don't have a great working definition here, but that paragraph shows the act of satisfying hunger as becoming deeply imbued with spiritual weight once it reaches a certain significance. Self actualization doesn't have a physiological component, but it seems equally spiritual.
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it's possible to be tube-fed (this is done to prisoners on hunger-strike at times) and derive no spiritual satisfaction at all from it. negative spiritual satisfaction actually. it still meets your physical need for nutrition.
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Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer
do they starve them for 20 days before they begin tube-feeding? Most people do not ever achieve the state of significant hunger Maslow describes.
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Replying to @simpolism @PereGrimmer
I don't know. a hunger strike situation suggests to me that yes, the potential for life-threatening hunger is present.
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