I disagree. moral and personal judgments are more salient and more relevant to individuals than ethical and social judgments. in order to have an ethical society we must also have moral individuals.
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Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer
This claim reads like a more deeply-held "core value" to me than the ones you listed above.
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Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer
I do not see how "moral & personal judgments are more relevant to individuals than ethical & social judgments" is necessarily a rephrasing of "truth and utility".
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Replying to @simpolism @PereGrimmer
an individual MUST know the truth and know what relevant actions to take in order to be considered as possessing "good morals", in my view. truth and utility are necessary (and often sufficient) for good morals.
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Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer
Are good morals necessary for everyone? Or merely for certain people?
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Replying to @simpolism @PereGrimmer
by what standard? like, what proportion of individuals need to be morally good in order for society to have a chance at being ethical and harmonious? not sure, not 100% but perhaps some kind of super-majority. that's the intuition anyway.
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Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer
I was thinking more along the lines of whether an internalized moral code is more necessary for someone with power over others vs someone with no power. e.g. do we demand the homeless be as moral as the lawmakers?
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Replying to @simpolism @PereGrimmer
not necessary to achieve the station of lawmaker in any case. is it necessary to be morally good to be a good lawmaker? I would say so. we have very few good lawmakers and very few good laws.
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what does it mean to be a good homeless person? i dunno but I think we can distinguish between good and bad homeless people based on their behavior. I won't claim that merely being good is sufficient to prevent homelessness in some situations. that's orthogonal.
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a nasty tendency in Protestant societies is to make identical one's material and social station with one's state of grace and moral goodness. i'm explicitly rejecting this right here as a good example of a harmful delusive belief in our society.
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