relevance is a preference judgment, though some preferences become outright needs if survival/subsistence is on the line. empiricism "the belief" is too boring to be worth discussing. yes, I really do believe that senses and instruments can verify reality. I am not a solipsist.
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Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer
Interestingly, the idea that peoples' preference judgments are worth listening to is a somewhat non-standard idea these days. The reason to question "empiricism the belief" is not so much "maybe science is fake" so much as "when/for whom might empirical truth be bad?"
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But if "truth" is only a moral/personal and not an ethical/society-wide value, then it is indeed boring to question the use and validity of empirical truth.
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Replying to @simpolism @PereGrimmer
I disagree. moral and personal judgments are more salient and more relevant to individuals than ethical and social judgments. in order to have an ethical society we must also have moral individuals.
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Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer
This claim reads like a more deeply-held "core value" to me than the ones you listed above.
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Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer
I do not see how "moral & personal judgments are more relevant to individuals than ethical & social judgments" is necessarily a rephrasing of "truth and utility".
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Replying to @simpolism @PereGrimmer
an individual MUST know the truth and know what relevant actions to take in order to be considered as possessing "good morals", in my view. truth and utility are necessary (and often sufficient) for good morals.
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societies necessarily entail intersubjectivity and conflicting goals so we can't apply the same rubric to generate good morality on the mass scale. we can only hope that individuals behaving morally will cohere into a harmonious society except possibly at the margins.
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Replying to @danlistensto @simpolism
I think in practice what we see is seclusion into various shifting and abstractly defined bits of territory, each based on predictions as to others' responses. It is an interesting process.
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accurate prediction algorithm = harmony ?
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