Empiricism is a system for truth-generation requiring belief, a value of "truth" doesn't have meaning without a truth-generation system attached: this is the end-result of postmodern work. Efficiency is a property of a system & can be optimized for. What even is utility anyway?
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Are good morals necessary for everyone? Or merely for certain people?
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by what standard? like, what proportion of individuals need to be morally good in order for society to have a chance at being ethical and harmonious? not sure, not 100% but perhaps some kind of super-majority. that's the intuition anyway.
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I was thinking more along the lines of whether an internalized moral code is more necessary for someone with power over others vs someone with no power. e.g. do we demand the homeless be as moral as the lawmakers?
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not necessary to achieve the station of lawmaker in any case. is it necessary to be morally good to be a good lawmaker? I would say so. we have very few good lawmakers and very few good laws.
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what does it mean to be a good homeless person? i dunno but I think we can distinguish between good and bad homeless people based on their behavior. I won't claim that merely being good is sufficient to prevent homelessness in some situations. that's orthogonal.
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Is it not more important societally to have lawmakers with strongly internalized moral codes than homeless people with strongly internalized moral codes? (funnily enough, I expect that the US government would be better if we replaced our lawmakers with the homeless)
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yes indeed it is, hence my prior statement about the need for individual morality as a pre-requisite for ethical society. but homeless people impact the lives of others too, through different means. still don't want to have rapist cannibal homeless dudes running around.
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Maybe if they burst out into song from time to time.
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societies necessarily entail intersubjectivity and conflicting goals so we can't apply the same rubric to generate good morality on the mass scale. we can only hope that individuals behaving morally will cohere into a harmonious society except possibly at the margins.
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I think in practice what we see is seclusion into various shifting and abstractly defined bits of territory, each based on predictions as to others' responses. It is an interesting process.
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accurate prediction algorithm = harmony ?
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