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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Aug 9

      Sure, it takes a certain amount of money/privilege to access this sense. Even the cheapest flight that gives you a view of say the Pacific ocean or the physical non-fragmentedness of the Middle East is several hundred $. That does not make the "globe" in globalism a lie (2/few)

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Aug 9

      Just because it's privileged people who are able to see and construct the world as a single, connected place does not mean that construct is false. Just because it's underprivileged people who have a narrower sense of place doesn't mean that narrower sense _isn't_ false (3/few)

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Aug 9

      Just because "globalism" has become a synonym for a particular flavor of aristocratic elitist power emanating out of Davos doesn't mean Planet Earth is actually 200 little balls instead of one big ball. All globalisms have a powerful phenomenological foundation (4/few)

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Aug 9

      Whenever I'm tempted to forget this and take dumbass nationalist boundaries and reified egregores too seriously, I consider animals and their ways of being on the planet. Like Arctic Terns that migrate 70,000 km roundtrips from pole to pole WITHOUT EVER GOING TO DAVOS (5/few)

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Aug 9

      Or cats, which have colonized earth as well as humans. Or erupting volcanoes that affect weather 1000s of km away. Or New World vegetables that are now part of cuisines worldwide. Earth is a far more deeply connected place than our *political* experience of it suggests (6/few)

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Aug 9

      tldr: Don't let shitty people with limited perspectives tell you that wanting to experience the planet as a single place is an evil thing or that their maps are the territory. (end/few)

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    7. simpolism‏ @simpolism Aug 9
      Replying to @vgr

      How can one reconcile globalism with the basic human urge to territorialize? It seems like statehood is a compromise and somewhat of an attempt to minimize territorial violence.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Aug 9
      Replying to @simpolism

      I don’t think there’s a basic human urge to territorialize. The reverse in fact. We’re more nomadic than sessile.

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    9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Aug 9
      Replying to @vgr @simpolism

      are domesticated agriculturalist city-building humans the same as the ancestral nomadic hunter-gatherer humans? has it been long enough (in terms of selection pressure) that we're now something different than what we came from?

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    10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Aug 9
      Replying to @danlistensto @simpolism

      I don’t think so. Against the Grain by James Scott specifically argues that sedenterization by agriculture in near east happened against very stiff resistance. 10k years since Neolithic is mere instant in evolutionary time.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Aug 9
      Replying to @vgr @simpolism

      too little time for much accumulation of gradual changes. not all evolution is gradual though. hell, not all evolution is genetic, for that matter. do humans with sufficiently different cultural histories count as different varieties?

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Aug 9
          Replying to @danlistensto @simpolism

          Step-function evolution tends to be pointillist in effects, like lactose tolerance. Nomadic —> Sedentary is too broad-based a shift. As for memetic evolution, it seems to reshape extended phenotype rather than deep psyche. We reproduce paleo-nomad forms in new environment.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Aug 9
          Replying to @vgr @simpolism

          conjecture, just for fun: suppose the adaptation is not nomadic -> sedentary but is rather in social cognition group size limit ~1000 (tribe scale) -> 1 million (city scale)?

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        1. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Aug 9
          Replying to @danlistensto @vgr @simpolism

          not talking about speciation here, but rather, a kind of extended path dependency. how many generations of living like this does it take for territoriality to become ingrained as if innate?

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