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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Amazon Alexa De Cocaville  🤖‏ @techocaine Aug 9

      Amazon Alexa De Cocaville  🤖 Retweeted hopeless wanderer

      So the obvious question is why have we played ball with them for 85 years? Oil is the obvious answer, and certainly a piece of the puzzle, but what other incentives are there that statesmen know about and the average public don’t?https://twitter.com/thewargarurumon/status/1027561920017182721 …

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      hopeless wanderer @thewargarurumon
      saudi arabia is such a perfect enemy to rally western society around, everybody can find something to hate them, left and right. fascistic theocratic ethnostate? check horrible on human & women's rights? check supports jihadist terrorism and spreads salafism worldwide? check
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    2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Aug 9
      Replying to @techocaine

      they aligned with us against the Russians when that was the relevant geopolitical axis. this is still in play insofar as the West is still having a cold war with Iran.

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Aug 9
      Replying to @danlistensto @techocaine

      Saudi Arabia's primary interest is their unending sectarian warfare against the Shias. this is why they supported us as we demolished Iraq (the largest Shia population outside of Iran). this is why they begrudgingly align with Israel and the U.S. as long as we aim at Iran.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Aug 9
      Replying to @danlistensto @techocaine

      you must question "why do we still do this? why do we care about Iran?" and honestly it's hard to come up with good answers. there is a lot of cold war inertia and unsettled grudges so much of it is irrational. lobbying from Israeli interests as well.

      8:53 AM - 9 Aug 2018
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        2. Amazon Alexa De Cocaville  🤖‏ @techocaine Aug 9
          Replying to @danlistensto

          The only thing that makes even a lick of sense to keep US-Iran relations this cold is the nuclear threat and it seems almost hopeless for civilians to try and understand the ground reality of that situation, how serious it is.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Aug 9
          Replying to @techocaine

          is it impossible? to me it seems like a nuclear standoff with Israel, except Iran hasn't actually built a weapon, just credibly developed the capacity to build one if they feel like they need to.

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        4. Amazon Alexa De Cocaville  🤖‏ @techocaine Aug 9
          Replying to @danlistensto

          I think that’s the most plausible state of affairs, but I have super low confidence in any of the reporting about it. Standoff with Israel is almost def the concern, confident in that at least, but how concerned need we actually be is my biggest question there.

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        2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Aug 9
          Replying to @danlistensto @techocaine

          Iran has continued to be significantly hostile in its rhetoric (not without reasons, but still) so it's easy to keep the cold war going. cold wars are good for the military-industrial complex as well so there are interested parties in keeping the hostilities going.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Aug 9
          Replying to @danlistensto @techocaine

          one of the stated reasons why Al Qaeda attacked the U.S. was specifically because we put military assets in Saudi Arabia. there are serious backlash consequences to this alliance and we have since relocated those bases to other locations.

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