left: people are not capable of making good decisions as individuals right: people are not capable of making good decisions as collectives authoritarian: and yet some people do make better decisions than others libertarian: and yet I still insist on making my own decisions https://twitter.com/EmmaGorowski/status/1021541247389814784 …
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Interesting, imo, that all 4 of these characterizations seem to be from a "right" perspective, according to this view: https://twitter.com/ShonFeder/status/930409716446121984 … I.e., each of these seem to characterize the political as a way of ordering and administrating decision making.
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decisions are made by both individuals and communities, and each decision impacts both the individual and the community. I don't see how the views I've summarized here are strictly about administration.
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I may have been projecting inappropriate subtext. I read these as characterizations of each pole, and was struck then by the fact that they would all suggest that politics is primarily concerned with managing defective decision making.
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if that isn't what politics is about, then what is politics about?
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From the kind of left perspective I've indicated, "the political is the place where community as such is brought in to play. … in other words the place of a … being-in-common, which gives rise to the existence of being-self."
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Trying to de-jargon a bit: this view claims the political is about determining the means and meaning of our existence as a way of being inseparable from our existing in common and in a *shared* and way. It fundamentally rejects the reduction of politics to decision problems.
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hmm. I hope I'm not arguing against a strawman here because I really don't know this author but... that seems like a deliberate politicization of the entire common sphere of life in a way that I find to be one of the most noxious habits of political extremists.
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i.e. the simple fact that we have common spaces and shared culture does not necessarily mean that any acts done in those common spaces are political acts and that any/all culture is necessarily political. I think it's harmful to explicitly politicize "being" itself in this way.
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obviously I'm not a continental leftist, so disagreement here is expected and it's ok. thanks for sharing this perspective. learned something new!
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Agreed: disagreement here is expected (it was an act of disagreement that opened this exchange from my side :) ). Thank you for your thoughts as well!
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I recognize that the concerns you raise are valid and important. I don't think they are adequate characterizations of what I'm after here, but I definitely see how they are consistent with what I've said so far. I'll think carefully on this.
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