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    1. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jul 15

      I've recently encountered two groups of (I kid in part) neo-Scholastics. The first group thinks that, if you define "sexuality" to have a moral component, you can remove any social problems which may arise from immoral aspects of sexuality (under the dictionary definition). The

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    2. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jul 15

      There may (and likely are) be good or bad ways to play chess, or stage jury deliberations, or treat pedophiles; but trying to freight the words used to describe what people are up to with normative judgments just obscures the central normative Q's.

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jul 15
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      is this the thing where some people mistake themselves talking about something for changing the way other people behave?

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    4. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jul 15
      Replying to @danlistensto

      1/Maybe, in part. I think the problem is just that people expect defining words to substitute for argument. The fact XYZ may be "political" does not carry any moral heft. The idea that something immoral is not "sexuality" says nothing about why it's immoral. IMO, people are

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    5. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jul 15
      Replying to @PereGrimmer @danlistensto

      2/ducking the "center of mass" of the arguments they wish to engage in through the specious means of encoding their values in (non-standard) definitions.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jul 15
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      what do they actually want to say? what do they expect to do after they've said it?

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        1. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jul 15
          Replying to @danlistensto

          I can't speak for everyone. Re: the "pedophilia is not sexuality" people, I presume they want to say pedophilia is bad and should be punished and other forms of sexuality, which don't involve questionable or absent consent, are good and should not be punished. I'm fine with that.

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        2. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jul 15
          Replying to @danlistensto

          Re: the "many things that do not seem to be politics ARE politics crowd," I'm uncertain. I just don't know enough. But I'd know more if they just said what they wanted to say, rather than trying to define various things as politics.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jul 15
          Replying to @PereGrimmer

          maybe it's just a confusion about what it means for an idea to have cultural presence? if it's there at all, if you can reference an idea without having to first explain it to someone, it has cultural presence. anything with presence is subject to some degree of politics.

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        4. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jul 15
          Replying to @danlistensto

          Maybe? I really don't know. If people want to say that X is bad because Y, I don't see how identifying "X" as "being politics" or "being about politics" helps, unless something intrinsic about politics drives the argument. But I likely lack pertinent context.

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