In other words, the problem is thinking that you can somehow escape dukkha while still retaining your experience. If you accept that this is it, then you can stop fretting over it and move on.
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Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @VipassanaBoy
by experience do you mean phenomenal arising of any kind?
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Replying to @chagmed @VipassanaBoy
Yes, all sensory experience. I would include thoughts, etc., as they are always accompanied by sensations in the body.
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Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @VipassanaBoy
fair enough. sounds like Dzogchen isn't for you.
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Replying to @chagmed @VipassanaBoy
Mind training is still useful. The wishful thinking parts aren't. And Theravada has plenty of wishful thinking too.
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I feel like much of the wishful thinking in Buddhism is directly related to the depressing core premise. But even if true, why orient around that?
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The truth hurts, as that unspecified "they" say. Why orient around what? The depressing premise or the magical thinking?
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The depressing premise. Buddha's idea is this is fundamental truth, but I'd be inclined to say that's one of those "even if true, how relevant is it?" kind of deals. There are other fundamental truths you might be able to ascertain as well. Should those also form religions?
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It's relevant because, according to the teaching, when you fully understand this truth, you cease to be surprised when suffering happens. This leads to a kind of "meta-okay-ness" (credit to Kenneth Folk for that term) that is present even with negative experiences.
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Replying to @Failed_Buddhist @Triquetrea and
In other words, you stop taking your experience so seriously. Also, was the Buddha (insofar as he was a real person) trying to form a religion? I don't know that he was.
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my reading of the history is that he was trying to _end_ a religion, not form a new one
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