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Replying to @MeFromBefore
This is not and hasnt ever been a good hill for the left to die on, it was a massive overextension and the cost of holding the territory cannot be justified by the territory's intrinsic ideological value
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Replying to @eigenrobot
You may as well put lead back into the petrol (ehh gasoline); the social effects are similar.
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Replying to @MeFromBefore
Oho yes the neoreactionary case for abortion :D My guess is it doesn't actually play out like that, expect the pregnancies that are actually terminated are predominantly in higher SES women. Guess we could check this huh
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Replying to @eigenrobot
You may want to revisit the recent tweetstorms from the Irish referendum... those that could afford to travel abroad, did so. Those that couldn’t, took dangerous & horrific underground methods. Banning it won’t stop it, it just makes it unsafe for the poor (and makes more poor).
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Replying to @MeFromBefore @eigenrobot
I agree with your analysis but disagree with your policy prescription. I agree with our robot friend that it's not a hill worth dying on for the left. It has essentially marginalized left parties in vast swathes of the states because of the roe v. wade litmus test.
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basically you can't expect people to vote against their religious beliefs that tell them "this is a mortal sin equivalent to murder". aint gonna happen. culture leads politics, not the other way around. those communities would benefit a lot from social democratic policies though.
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so in order to get an electoral win and move the policy landscape leftward you have to drop the litmus test and be willing to let people live according to their religious beliefs, even if it creates bad outcomes (like black market abortions).
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that said: we're a federation of states. as long as interstate travel is available (and affordable) it's not that big of a problem, big picture wise. bus tickets solve a lot of problems.
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Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot
So if Roe v Wade is overturned, it’ll be a state by state thing? That is less bad than it could have been.
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yes exactly. always understand that in the U.S. the realities of legislation are nearly always handled by the states on an individual state basis. the saving grace of our system is that we're not as centralized as it looks sometimes.
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Roe v. Wade isn't even a law actually. It's a judicial statute that says "no state shall pass a law curtailing a woman's right to have an abortion". So if the statute is repealed it just means that some states (a minority of them probably) will try to legislate abortion bans.
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Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot
Okay. Thanks for the info & your perspective.
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