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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
      Replying to @Intrinsic29

      is there a singular agreed upon definition of that word?

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    2. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Jun 26
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Not a precise def. but there are some properties usually associated with it, like it being an agent, first mover, creator, etc. I'm not saying he can't define the term how he wishes but if it doesn't include these properties, he's not referencing the same topic as most believers.

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
      Replying to @Intrinsic29

      who are those believers? Abrahamic monotheists? if so, is it necessary that he is addressing them specifically? if so, is it necessary that he uses their language convention? if so, is it necessary that he remains orthodox within that convention?

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    4. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Jun 26
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Monotheists, polytheists, etc. The clear majority of people who purport to believe in Gods in the world purport to see them as agents. Defining God as some abstract phenomena that exists is just vacuous wordplay.

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    5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
      Replying to @Intrinsic29

      I don't follow. What do you suppose he's attempting to do here? Are you reading this as an attempt at theology? I don't think it is.

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    6. The Ratter Overrun (Love Is A Rebellious Bird!)‏ @averykimball Jun 26
      Replying to @danlistensto @Intrinsic29

      He's asserting a Necessary Meta-radicalism- just like the postmodernists, coincidentally. In *his* jargon, "faith" or "foundation" is his god. So: I'd call it theology.

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    7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
      Replying to @averykimball @Intrinsic29

      I don't know what Necessary Meta-radicalism means. Google didn't help much. I haven't seen the term used elsewhere. I can accept that this is a variety of theology, but not done in the manner of a priest, or any authority figure. I really think it's just psychology though.

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    8. The Ratter Overrun (Love Is A Rebellious Bird!)‏ @averykimball Jun 26
      Replying to @danlistensto @Intrinsic29

      Yeah, but *he's* the one tangling up psychology and theology. "God" is the assumptions you make, and the implicit theories you reason with? Come on, Peterson.

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    9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
      Replying to @averykimball @Intrinsic29

      how about "God is the organizing principle of creation" combined with "your own mind is part of creation"?

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    10. The Ratter Overrun (Love Is A Rebellious Bird!)‏ @averykimball Jun 26
      Replying to @danlistensto @Intrinsic29

      I feel like I can't engage with this critically because it doesn't say enough to reason about. Is "god" just a label for an unexplained organizing principle, or are we supposed to bring all the baggage of "god" to bear on the problem of explaining this principle?

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
      Replying to @averykimball @Intrinsic29

      well there's the rub. which do you prefer: the label or the mytheme? seems like at some point you do have to make a value judgment w.r.t how you feel about the mytheme and then decide to use it or lose it. personally I go with lose it, but it does work for other people.

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        2. The Ratter Overrun (Love Is A Rebellious Bird!)‏ @averykimball Jun 26
          Replying to @danlistensto @Intrinsic29

          Imma think more on this, but mytheme is a cool word. I haven't heard it before. Is there a difference between mytheme and meme or memeplex?

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
          Replying to @averykimball @Intrinsic29

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mytheme  Mytheme is to mythology as Phoneme is to Phonology

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