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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Jun 25

      If you can't substantiate the existence of a certain entity, just arbitrarily define it as something that exists. It's super intellectual. Join the dark web today.pic.twitter.com/h1dIzhhlF4

      4 replies 1 retweet 26 likes
    2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
      Replying to @Intrinsic29

      is there a singular agreed upon definition of that word?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Jun 26
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Not a precise def. but there are some properties usually associated with it, like it being an agent, first mover, creator, etc. I'm not saying he can't define the term how he wishes but if it doesn't include these properties, he's not referencing the same topic as most believers.

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    4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
      Replying to @Intrinsic29

      who are those believers? Abrahamic monotheists? if so, is it necessary that he is addressing them specifically? if so, is it necessary that he uses their language convention? if so, is it necessary that he remains orthodox within that convention?

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    5. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Jun 26
      Replying to @danlistensto

      Monotheists, polytheists, etc. The clear majority of people who purport to believe in Gods in the world purport to see them as agents. Defining God as some abstract phenomena that exists is just vacuous wordplay.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
      Replying to @Intrinsic29

      I don't follow. What do you suppose he's attempting to do here? Are you reading this as an attempt at theology? I don't think it is.

      12:10 PM - 26 Jun 2018
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        2. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Jun 26
          Replying to @danlistensto

          If he's not making a theological claim, why use the term God? If he doesn't mean anything like what believers mean when they invoke "God," then he's just being intentionally obscure.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
          Replying to @Intrinsic29

          how about this as a definition of God that (I suspect) most believers would assent to: God is the organizing principle of all of creation. If you filter that through personal psychology how does it come out?

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        4. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Jun 26
          Replying to @danlistensto

          No, religious people believe specific propositions about the creator of the universe, what he wants, what will happen to them after they die, etc. Redefining these types of concepts to what you speculatively think might psychologically drive people is just wordplay.

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        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
          Replying to @Intrinsic29

          excuse me but think I've missed your point. wordplay means what, here? "I don't like the words he used"? I think you're trying to say something more substantial than that but I missed it. Can you make a more specific criticism?

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        6. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Jun 26
          Replying to @danlistensto

          I've been very clear about my criticism. I'd just be repeating myself if I clarified further so I'll just leave what I've written in the thread for other readers. Thanks for the chat.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. The Ratter Overrun (Love Is A Rebellious Bird!)‏ @averykimball Jun 26
          Replying to @danlistensto @Intrinsic29

          He's asserting a Necessary Meta-radicalism- just like the postmodernists, coincidentally. In *his* jargon, "faith" or "foundation" is his god. So: I'd call it theology.

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
          Replying to @averykimball @Intrinsic29

          I don't know what Necessary Meta-radicalism means. Google didn't help much. I haven't seen the term used elsewhere. I can accept that this is a variety of theology, but not done in the manner of a priest, or any authority figure. I really think it's just psychology though.

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        4. The Ratter Overrun (Love Is A Rebellious Bird!)‏ @averykimball Jun 26
          Replying to @danlistensto @Intrinsic29

          Yeah, but *he's* the one tangling up psychology and theology. "God" is the assumptions you make, and the implicit theories you reason with? Come on, Peterson.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
          Replying to @averykimball @Intrinsic29

          how about "God is the organizing principle of creation" combined with "your own mind is part of creation"?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
          Replying to @danlistensto @averykimball @Intrinsic29

          I'm not saying I agree with this. I'm saying that picking apart 280 character limit utterances requires us to be a little more charitable about possible communicative intent.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Jun 26
          Replying to @danlistensto @averykimball

          This isn't a one-off thing. He tweets about this stuff a lot and I've spent probably 20 hours now listening to his debates and lectures.

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        8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 26
          Replying to @Intrinsic29 @averykimball

          why? it seems to really upset and annoy you.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Jun 26
          Replying to @danlistensto @averykimball

          I spend almost all my time on Twitter arguing against what I think are bad ideas. It's a hobby.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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