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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jun 25

      Derek Retweeted Derek

      (General method for dealing with people who announce they're super-concerned about abstract things that do not directly affect them -- hwhite genocide ed.):https://twitter.com/PereGrimmer/status/1011303772184809472 …

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      Derek @PereGrimmer
      Replying to @Noahpinion
      1/IMO people who say they're worried about "white genocide" typically are just using that construct, which is distal, abstract, and has no immediate impact on their lives, as content to give form to free-floating anxiety that originates from another source (though the construct
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    2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 25
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      question I don't know the answer to: do people really have the psychological models operating unconsciously that we sometimes assume they do? it's so tempting to put together a coherent story about what they're really thinking. maybe they're just not thinking.

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    3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 25
      Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer

      if you're ruminating on distal and abstract concerns, what is the cause of that? is that actually knowable? how would you discover it if it can be discovered?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 25
      Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer

      rumination is a kind of destructive loop that many suffer from on occasion (or constantly in some cases). the presence of ruminations is highly correlated with a lot of things that are successfully measured. but the specific contents of those ruminations? who fucking knows.

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    5. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jun 25
      Replying to @danlistensto

      1/A good watchword re: anxiety (and rumination) = "the content is not important." You're not going in circles because you've decided to engage in a course of destructive circular quasi-reasoning, rather, you're more or less stuck in an unproductive loop of thought that can be

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    6. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jun 25
      Replying to @PereGrimmer @danlistensto

      2/usefully understood as a manifestation of the processes of a normally-functioning brain run amok. If rumination has metaphysical significance, it should be robust to getting up and taking a nice walk in the sun!

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    7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 25
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      sure, but that's kinda therapeutic advice whereas what I'm more interested in is why specific ruminative contents manifest in specific persons. i.e. what are the necessary conditions to produce the "white genocide" anxiety rumination and how to shunt that into something else?

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    8. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jun 25
      Replying to @danlistensto

      1/Well, the latter question is therapeutic, and easier, the former has to do with the workings of the brain & how it perceives, stores, and processes info, and is much harder. Re: the former, I'd note that, to take root, an anxiety-reinforcing construct typically must map on

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    9. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jun 25
      Replying to @PereGrimmer @danlistensto

      2/plausibly to "identity" in some way, and then usually to various common factors of anxiety (status threat, fear for physical safety, etc.). As to the actual processes involved, I tend to think Hofstadter's work (e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_Concepts_and_Creative_Analogies …) is directionally informative, &

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    10. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jun 25
      Replying to @PereGrimmer @danlistensto

      3/there are many modern formalisms & levels of analysis that could provide useful insight (e.g., see my earlier tweet-storms re: Friston's free energy and character disordered people), but to my knowledge we're nowhere close to having anything like definite answers.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 25
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      the infohazard levels have gotten so high I'm grasping at straws for memetic vaccines

      11:13 AM - 25 Jun 2018
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        2. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jun 25
          Replying to @danlistensto

          While the infohazard levels may be higher than ever, I'd say the memetic immune system has never been so robust. (anyhow the best vaccine is compassion and listening, but nobody wants to compassionately listen to that:>)

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 25
          Replying to @PereGrimmer

          can you bottle that optimism?

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        4. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jun 25
          Replying to @danlistensto

          My guess is it's no so much optimism as indifference between life & death (and shades of outcomes in-between), which leads to sang froid re: social issues but makes it hard to get deadline work done. Speaking of which...

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        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 25
          Replying to @PereGrimmer

          "He who fears death cannot enjoy life"https://open.spotify.com/track/2e5J13vplUnIhT9uVisGJN?si=77D1t7mCRlOrAmPshBUTJA …

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        6. Snusmumrik‏ @snus_kin Jun 25
          Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer

          "if you're scared to die then you're scared to live"https://youtu.be/Qe9TtZlW-5g 

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