I wish people would learn the history of perennial debates, so they know they are just wasting time repeating points already-made which led into rabbit-holes. In other words, I wish Twitter had some continuity from the days of usenet; and usenet back to the pre-Socratics.
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1/I used a "cf." signal to indicate the essay is related, but at a slant and not directly, to our discussion. (I presumed you'd read the essay, I was just dotting my prose with references I'd like people to see along the way). I take the essay (which I've not re-read for purposes
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2/of this discussion) to describe one mechanism or dynamic by which sub-cultures evolve, from founder phase to psychopathic dominance to obsolescence or stable equilibrium. As such I saw it as related to the Eternal September phenomenon, as it is a mechanism involved in MPS; but
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3/we were talking about something more akin to an extension of the dynamic across various cultures, as people drift from platform to platform with various degrees of salting in the old human dynamics & path-dependent history that characterizes them all.
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I think the perennial problem is egocentrism. That is, you have to work against your own egoic conditioning to enter an ongoing discussion without by default trying to warp the discussion to your own perspective.
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when a debate has been going on for a very long time it's that much harder even to get embedded enough to be able to say something meaningful and not just pure ego boosting or signaling game.
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1/Excellent points! In a sense, the debate becomes an "organism" beyond the grasp of any individual participant. I'd add that the dynamic extends even beyond pure egotism: when one has taken a debate "into their body," such that they can play any role [hence their individual ego
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2/has been sublimated into the terms of debate itself], this can lead to recurrence of the debate at yet another plane, as others also transcend the old debate and then begin debating at the meta-level of attempting to pick the right role at the right time, etc. infinitum.
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