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    1. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jun 20

      I wish people would learn the history of perennial debates, so they know they are just wasting time repeating points already-made which led into rabbit-holes. In other words, I wish Twitter had some continuity from the days of usenet; and usenet back to the pre-Socratics.

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 20
      Replying to @PereGrimmer

      Eternal September has been a thing since much much much longer ago than 1993

      8:30 AM - 20 Jun 2018
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        2. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jun 20
          Replying to @danlistensto

          1/Eternal September returns every time a promising new scientific field, or genre of music, or fun fad, reaches the critical mass where its internal order can't be sustained due to the limited learning capacity & appreciation of new entrants, the waning attention of its founders,

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        3. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jun 20
          Replying to @PereGrimmer @danlistensto

          2/& the resulting state of prestige without warranty, which greatly incents psychopaths to step in like a VC firm and take over the whole operation, installing its own board, managers, and rule. "Mops and Psychopaths." Cf. https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths … (@Meaningness).

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        4. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 20
          Replying to @PereGrimmer @Meaningness

          I've read it several times. I've linked it to other people several times too, actually. Is that what we're talking about here? this seems distinct from the lifecycle of particular subcultures.

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        5. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jun 20
          Replying to @danlistensto @Meaningness

          1/I used a "cf." signal to indicate the essay is related, but at a slant and not directly, to our discussion. (I presumed you'd read the essay, I was just dotting my prose with references I'd like people to see along the way). I take the essay (which I've not re-read for purposes

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        6. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jun 20
          Replying to @PereGrimmer @danlistensto @Meaningness

          2/of this discussion) to describe one mechanism or dynamic by which sub-cultures evolve, from founder phase to psychopathic dominance to obsolescence or stable equilibrium. As such I saw it as related to the Eternal September phenomenon, as it is a mechanism involved in MPS; but

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        7. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer Jun 20
          Replying to @PereGrimmer @danlistensto @Meaningness

          3/we were talking about something more akin to an extension of the dynamic across various cultures, as people drift from platform to platform with various degrees of salting in the old human dynamics & path-dependent history that characterizes them all.

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        8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 20
          Replying to @PereGrimmer @Meaningness

          I think the perennial problem is egocentrism. That is, you have to work against your own egoic conditioning to enter an ongoing discussion without by default trying to warp the discussion to your own perspective.

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        9. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 20
          Replying to @danlistensto @PereGrimmer @Meaningness

          when a debate has been going on for a very long time it's that much harder even to get embedded enough to be able to say something meaningful and not just pure ego boosting or signaling game.

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