I wish people would learn the history of perennial debates, so they know they are just wasting time repeating points already-made which led into rabbit-holes. In other words, I wish Twitter had some continuity from the days of usenet; and usenet back to the pre-Socratics.
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1/Eternal September returns every time a promising new scientific field, or genre of music, or fun fad, reaches the critical mass where its internal order can't be sustained due to the limited learning capacity & appreciation of new entrants, the waning attention of its founders,
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2/& the resulting state of prestige without warranty, which greatly incents psychopaths to step in like a VC firm and take over the whole operation, installing its own board, managers, and rule. "Mops and Psychopaths." Cf. https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths … (
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I've read it several times. I've linked it to other people several times too, actually. Is that what we're talking about here? this seems distinct from the lifecycle of particular subcultures.
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1/I used a "cf." signal to indicate the essay is related, but at a slant and not directly, to our discussion. (I presumed you'd read the essay, I was just dotting my prose with references I'd like people to see along the way). I take the essay (which I've not re-read for purposes
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2/of this discussion) to describe one mechanism or dynamic by which sub-cultures evolve, from founder phase to psychopathic dominance to obsolescence or stable equilibrium. As such I saw it as related to the Eternal September phenomenon, as it is a mechanism involved in MPS; but
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3/we were talking about something more akin to an extension of the dynamic across various cultures, as people drift from platform to platform with various degrees of salting in the old human dynamics & path-dependent history that characterizes them all.
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I think the perennial problem is egocentrism. That is, you have to work against your own egoic conditioning to enter an ongoing discussion without by default trying to warp the discussion to your own perspective.
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when a debate has been going on for a very long time it's that much harder even to get embedded enough to be able to say something meaningful and not just pure ego boosting or signaling game.
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