Note to people from other countries and maybe sophisticated urban environments, I dunno: "Fair and Square" does not have anything to do with the "just and equitable" meaning of the word "fair."
disagree. it makes you a hypocrite, which is considered an unpleasant character flaw sometimes, but it has no real bearing on the moral claim.
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Hypocrites do not have the moral authority to complain about things they are being hypocritical about in my opinion.
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sure they do, you just are less receptive to it because you're turned off by their hypocrisy. if they're correct about the critique though, the fact that they've been venal or opportunistic in the past doesn't negate their correct critique.
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I didn't say it did. I said they lack moral authority. I used that phrase consciously, purposefully, and intentionally.
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I think you're using your notion of moral authority as grounds for censorship then. "lacks moral authority" under your usage means "should not speak about this" which I disagree with. they should speak, and if confronted with their past inconsistency, should reconcile too.
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Doing the latter FIRST would help them regain some moral authority. However, to a first approximation absolutely no one ever does that. And also, I would never argue they should not be allowed to speak. I just don't think anybody should listen to them.
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this is the core of our disagreement. I have a strong preference to evaluate the statement itself (at least insofar as I can glean its intended meaning in context) without respect to whom the speaker is
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In my experience such statements in this context will either be trivially obvious (in which case we don't need their additional input) or self-serving attempts to deflect blame and muddy the water.
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This is so pervasively true that the theoretical rare exception is so rare as to justify the use of this heuristic to discount the value of their information to zero.
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