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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. !‏ @gypsy_panther Jun 14
      Replying to @gypsy_panther @simpolism @danlistensto

      State governments are like federal but cheaper.

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    2. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 14
      Replying to @gypsy_panther @lsthmus @danlistensto

      smaller governed body = fewer people feel "left out", faster feedback loops, greater participation per person, also you can move states if you don't like it

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    3. !‏ @gypsy_panther Jun 14
      Replying to @simpolism @danlistensto

      At the same time, vastly more likely to have more abuse of human rights and things that shouldn't be legal, I'd imagine.

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    4. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 14
      Replying to @gypsy_panther @lsthmus @danlistensto

      why would a smaller government entail more abuse of human rights? and "shouldn't be legal" is, like, your opinion man

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    5. !‏ @gypsy_panther Jun 14
      Replying to @simpolism @danlistensto

      I mean, if you look at states right now, like half of them allow you to marry a 3 year old and legally have intercourse with them. Like, sure, "morality is subjective" but that shit's way too young.

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    6. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 14
      Replying to @gypsy_panther @lsthmus @danlistensto

      maybe their communities have ways of preventing child abuse that don't rely on laws, and they don't want to unnecessarily involve the government in their lives?

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    7. !‏ @gypsy_panther Jun 14
      Replying to @simpolism @danlistensto

      There're so many papers on how child rape permanently scars children that it's more or less objective that something like "No, you can't have sex with a three year old" is a necessary law.

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    8. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 14
      Replying to @gypsy_panther @lsthmus @danlistensto

      Making something a law changes how people interact with it. In the worst case, people say "well, it's the government's responsibility now, so we don't have to worry about having strong community norms against it, we can just call the police on people!"

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    9. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 14
      Replying to @simpolism @lsthmus @danlistensto

      The "thing is definitely bad therefore we must make a law against it" thought process almost certainly results in worse societal outcomes at least some of the time. It almost certainly opens up "game-able" holes in the law which can be abused.

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    10. !‏ @gypsy_panther Jun 14
      Replying to @simpolism @danlistensto

      It's not "the thing is most definitely bad and therefore we need a law," it's "This harms small people who don't have full human rights and can't vote."

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 14
      Replying to @gypsy_panther @lsthmus @simpolism

      so does elementary school, television, and coca-cola look, I understand there are different degrees of badness, but not everything is appropriate to try and legislate away

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        2. !‏ @gypsy_panther Jun 14
          Replying to @danlistensto @simpolism

          Elementary school has possible benefits; Coca-Cola doesn't have long term negatives; television has minor consequences at best. Putting into law is a deterrent that works fairly well, and at the very least prevents it from being normalised.

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        3. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 14
          Replying to @gypsy_panther @lsthmus @danlistensto

          Are you sure Coca-Cola doesn't have long term negatives? (see: obesity rates)

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        4. !‏ @gypsy_panther Jun 14
          Replying to @simpolism @danlistensto

          Obesity can be reversed, no?

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        5. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 14
          Replying to @gypsy_panther @lsthmus @danlistensto

          It's very very hard to lose weight, much harder than avoiding gaining it in the first place. There is a lot of research about this. The insulin/weight-gain/hedonic treadmill is real and scary.

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        6. !‏ @gypsy_panther Jun 14
          Replying to @simpolism @danlistensto

          Interesting.

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        1. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 14
          Replying to @danlistensto @lsthmus @simpolism

          and this is a weird hypothetical. like, is there actually an instance of widespread child rape as a culturally accepted thing?

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