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Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop
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    1. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 13
      Replying to @hikikomorphism

      his response to a different author who is the probably the original source where this person got the mischaracterization fromhttps://jordanbpeterson.com/uncategorized/response-to-vox-feminist-philosopher-dr-kate-manne-of-cornell/ …

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    2. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 13
      Replying to @danlistensto @hikikomorphism

      relevant snippet if you want TLDR (its short though) iow he didn't say any of those things to his patient. he used the example (anonymized) to illustrate an ethical dilemma and how he thought it through and why he decided to NOT gaslight his patient.pic.twitter.com/3NlJ3Pm96R

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      Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 13
      Replying to @danlistensto @hikikomorphism

      beyond that, just to be clear, it wasn't a psychiatric patient. he's a clinical psychologist and not an MD and this woman wasn't seeing him as a medical patient but as a mental health counselor. important distinction.

      11:49 AM - 13 Jun 2018
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        2. hikikomorphism 🏝 🛰️‏ @hikikomorphism Jun 13
          Replying to @danlistensto

          I don't consider that to be an important distinction, is there no duty of confidentiality in one of those cases?

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        3. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 13
          Replying to @hikikomorphism

          there is, but he did anonymize her. the distinction is important in other respects though. in fact, many clinical psychs use the word client instead of patient to more carefully delineate that it's not a medical care relationship.

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        4. hikikomorphism 🏝 🛰️‏ @hikikomorphism Jun 13
          Replying to @danlistensto

          In the linked thread an argument is made that she's not nearly anonymized enough and that ppl who know her could identify her from that excerpt. I'm not sure if that's the case but, eg, SSC definitely anonymizes case studies way more thoroughly

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        5. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 13
          Replying to @hikikomorphism

          possibly the case. that's a substantively different criticism than what has been made though. I understand the politics around this leads to hyperbole (and lying) so it's expected, but I have a strong preference for limiting criticisms to the most salient points.

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        6. hikikomorphism 🏝 🛰️‏ @hikikomorphism Jun 13
          Replying to @danlistensto

          Oh totally, but right now I'm sort of assuming this is going to be more "he technically didn't say the thing, he merely heavily implied it" and not "claims he said the thing are a complete fabrication"

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        7. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 13
          Replying to @hikikomorphism

          if we believe his account in the blogpost (I do, but also would love to see the primary text) then he says that he didn't say much of anything directly to the client/patient and just listened while trying to avoid priming her response. so his accusers look like liars to me.

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        8. Dan listens to rain falling on the rooftop‏ @danlistensto Jun 13
          Replying to @danlistensto @hikikomorphism

          maybe I'm misunderstanding your perspective? I don't want to do that. To me it looks like a deliberate malicious misreading that explicitly omits important context.

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        9. hikikomorphism 🏝 🛰️‏ @hikikomorphism Jun 13
          Replying to @danlistensto

          I'd say that's at least 50% likely but there's just not sufficient info to say w/o the primary source

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